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Am I the only Zoomer? I see a lot of "I remember"-type responses, so I have to wonder.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’m in that weird group that’s between Gen-X and Millennial. I’ve seen us called Xennials or the Oregon Trail Generation.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

There are dozens of us!

But seriously, I think we had one of the most interesting technological evolution of any generation. Going from using the Dewey decimal system and encyclopedias early on, to using the internet before graduating.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Was Oregon Trail really that huge?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

It really was. It was a time when most didn’t have computers at home. Once a week you’d get to go down to the computer lab and play educational games from MECC. Oregon Trail being the most popular of the bunch.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

About twice a week we would go to the computer lab filled with Apple IIes. Usually we had to play Number Munchers, Word Munchers, or some other game to reenforce whatever we learned in class. After we finished the game in the lesson plan, we could then play whatever educational game we wanted. Oregon Trail was a popular choice because nothing was funnier than having the game say a classmate had died or broke a leg. And the hunting and rafting mini games were the closest to arcade games.

Also keep in mind that the only exposure most of the teachers had to a computer were the mainframe terminals in the school's office or the computer lab. MECC put together a lot of software and training for teachers. A school building out an Apple II based computer lab with a bunch of MECC software was as close to turnkey as they could get at the time. The documentation for Oregon Trail or Odell Lake gives you an idea of what it was like.

http://www.mecc.co/history/the-oregon-trail---a-157/mecc_a-157_oregon_trail.pdf

http://www.mecc.co/science/odell-lake---a-192/mecc_a-192_odell_lake.pdf

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Xennial!

First computer I used in school was an Apple IIe with a 720kb, 5.25" floppy drive.

First computer at home was a Tandy 1000. Still out in the garage, I think.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Xennial as well. My first home PC was an Epson with 640k and a 3.5 DD disk drive and a "Turbo" button on the front of the case.

I remember getting a kick out of a game that used RealSound, a piece of software for doing voice and other similarly complex sound out of the standard PC speaker (apparently it handled 6-bit PCM audio, though I wouldn't know that at the time).

That game included a card explaining how to improve the audio out of your PC by building a cable to connect the line going to your PC speaker to an RCA cable to connect it to a stereo or boombox. The cable wasn't great at what it did (and better designs had been devised since), but it was pretty simple (if I remember right just some RCA cable, a couple of alligator clips and a capacitor).

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm a Millennial (35 years old)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nice. We still need a Boomer. Silent Gen would be a nice bonus.

What format did you use for removable storage at first?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

5.25" floppy disks, formatted on a Commodore 64 with a 1541 disk drive.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Another GenX. Aka the best generation.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

There are dozens of us, dozens!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I'm a millennial but I also have an interest in computing before my time. The possibility of understanding the computer entices me, whereas modern computing is more interested in understanding me.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Xennial here! Had friends with Atari 2600s, first childhood console was an NES, and first home computer was a used Atari 800XL.

Oh, and my first school computers in small-town Ontario were Commodore PETs and ICONs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICON_(microcomputer)).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wow, go Ontario Ministry of Education.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

RIP Bette Stephenson. In the same way that Al Gore invented the Internet, Bette Stephenson invented the ICON. She was a very stubborn politician who would not tolerate anything other than complete success from the project. Passed away 3 years ago.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Worry not I am also a fellow Zoomer.

I always enjoyed retro technology either because I didn't use to get the latest stuff right away or because there's a certain charm to it that still grabs my interest.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Im somewhere between Gen Z and Millennial i don't feel like either "Culture" is normal

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

~~Old fart~~ Boomer here, my first computer was a Sinclair ZX Spectrum.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Old. Just caught the tail end of the era of big machines.

Learnt Unix on a VAX 11/750. Used text terminals for a long time.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

In the early 90's my college had a VAX for student accounts via wonderful dial up The CS dept had Sparcstation 2 workstations

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm in my 20s. I got into retro computing because I used older (Windows 95) computers my parents handed down to me when I was a child and things got cemented and I started looking at even older tech when I started watching YouTube videos covering retro computing.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I’m a xennial. Though we were always a bit behind the curve (my first computer was a Philips XT clone, back in the early nineties), so I guess I’ve always been retrocomputing.

But yeah, it’s kind of shocking to see people being all nostalgic about stuff I consider newish.

(And I’m still cursing myself for throwing out my CPD-G420)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Old enough to have bought a new C64 from Toys R Us

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gen Z here. Oldest computer I remember my family having was an XP tower, a Dell Dimension.

I studied computer engineering, and that interest pulled me into retro tech. I love seeing what older hardware is capable of — I’ve got a Pentium laptop that can load old Reddit and stream music over wifi.

There’s a trove of old hardware and software to dig through too with so many unique odds and ends. History and tech worth preserving. One of my favorite projects so far was doing some programming challenges in BASIC on an Apple II. Anything old-tech is fun to me :)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

There's a really noticeable difference in motivation between the old and young users here. For you and me, it's conceptual, for a lot of the older users it's pure nostalgia because I guess the concepts aren't new.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My first computer was a 48K Sinclair ZX Spectrum, when I was maybe 12 years old. That's how old I am.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

To answer the question a bit more directly, I would guess that demographics here skew a bit older than elsewhere. That is just a guess, based on the fact that sdf.org dates back to 1987.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Atari VCS > VIC20 > C64> Amiga 500 > Amiga 1200 > Amiga 4000

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I'm a millennial. First computer was a TRS-80 CoCo 2 with extended color basic. Then a C64 (which was sort of disappointing since extended color basic was way better than anything on the commodore, but the games were much better), and then I started with an 8088 with a herc monochrome monitor and no hard drive and only went up from there.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Millennial. But we had Granny's Garden running on an Acorn Archidedes in our country rather than Oregon Trail. I was a kid in the 90s

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I'm 29!

Millennial, I guess.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Me zoomer as well, I suppose.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I still have my first VIC-20. Representing!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm approaching the top of the hill.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not a zoomer, but I am on the youngest edge of millennial -- the first computer I remember using was running Windows 95, and our first home computer was a Pentium era HP. My love for the older stuff didn't start until I was much older.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Another Oregan Trail generation here.

I'm curious about what's going to happen with Gen Alpha. Any other moms and dads here exposing their kids to retrotech? I have two little ones that I've made a DOSBox installation for (Mixed-Up Mother Goose and Donald Duck's Playground are their favourites). I do wonder how they're going to think about old tech when they're older. I haven't told them that it's "old" or "retro" yet, so they just think they're normal fun games.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Millennial here. I used computers from a very young age, and when my near-continuous use became untenable, my parents got me my own: first computer was a Macintosh IIfx, then a Sun Ultra 1, then a Power Mac G4 (the stripes on the front, handles, don't remember exact model name). Everything after the G4 has been less exciting, even if it's all more powerful. Not sure if this is because I've gotten older or if the gear has gotten less fun.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

The first operating system I used was windows XP (:

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Learned some language (I don't know if it was Basic or other) on an Apple II at school in fifth grade. Asked for a family computer for xmas and was disappointed that we got a Mac IIsi because I couldn't program it. 80MB HD. Everymac.com says 2 or 5MB of RAM.

SCSI! Back when data cables were huge and included terminators and channels or whatever. Stop making things so damn convenient and let us work our asses off to plug things in. /s

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Milennial. Got started with computers when my dad brought home a Mac Classic for Christmas 1990. Our elementary school still used Apple II machines for a while (number munchers, ad libs and so on) before switching to Macs. Didn't even see a PC until years and years later.

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