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If U.S. President Donald Trump fails in his stated goal of annexing Canada through economic force, what would happen if he ordered the world’s most powerful military to invade?

Some experts and academics say it’s a notion too preposterous to even contemplate. But Aisha Ahmad isn’t one of them.

“When you look at the power (imbalance) between the U.S. and Canada, an invasion would immediately result in the defeat of the Canadian Armed Forces,” said the University of Toronto political science professor, who last month published an essay on the subject in The Conversation.

“But a conventional military victory is not the end of this story. It’s just the beginning.”

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago

I would join the canadian insurgents. Fuck this government

[–] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

If conservatives ever get insane enough to actually try anything like that, understand that a fair amount of that hypothetical insurgency will be happening on the American side of the border as well. A lot of people who live near the border have a lot of Canadian ties. They would effectively consider any military action taken against Canada to be an attack on them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 18 hours ago

Not just near the border, it's throughout the entire US. Same goes for Mexico

[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago

All I know is, there are alot of natives kinda hoping they do invade. Imagine being legally allowed to shoot white people. 😂

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

I don't know why everyone assumes the use of military force to annex Canada would take the form of a massive conventional invasion. Hybrid warfare approaches like spreading misinformation, covert ops, stirring up local pro-American militias, etc. could do 95% of the work, without the sort of overt violence that generates insurgencies.

It's very possible to defend against hybrid threats, but only if we recognize the threat exists instead of assuming a US invasion would necessarily be a catastrophic strategic blunder.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 day ago (5 children)

The modern US hasn't fought a war with someone right next door, who looks and talks like them. Not only would it be hard to hold captured cities, but I think many Canadian fighters would walk across that massive unsecured border and start fucking up US resources like electrical stations, water supplies, subway systems, internet backbones, government buildings, . It is super easy to buy guns and ammo in the US, bombs are not hard to make. We would have a fair amount of local support as well.

We Canadians could just walk around the US in public and you've never know it.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Blue states won't stand for it either, the US will have to deal with the double threat of saboteurs and defectors

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

Blue states understand that you can’t just go and TAKE a country’s sovereignty, and that trying to do so sets a dangerous precedent.

Red states seem to forget that it goes both ways. Another country can try to TAKE the US (e.g., Russia, china).

Red states seem to forget that they would be furious if another country tried to invade the US. They fail to look in the mirror.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Honestly you would have to go county by county. As someone from MN, there are rural areas that vote red and would probably be for war with canada if it came down to it.

Then cities and people in blue counties would probably be the opposite.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

While true, I think people would easily drive a few counties to sabotage an invasion force, which blurs the map. I would consider the state level about even

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago

There would also be civilian targets. Those huge retirement towns filled with MAGA boomers in Florida - the ones where they drive golf carts around - those will burn to the ground.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Not to mention so very many of the Americans in the states that border Canada would probably be more than willing to aid the Canadian efforts.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

It’s stupid because a lot of Americans have families in Canada and some Americans actually live in Canada and loads of American businesses have offices and branches in Canada so they’d literally be bombing themselves.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Sabotaging the Canadian power stations that send power to the Eastern Seaboard would be a start.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Canadians were known as the most ruthless wartime force. I will bring that back to protect my daughters right to her body. Our neighbour should never mistake kindness for weakness

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It would cause a civil war within US itself.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I feel like this has to be the case. America is a disaster but I cannot fathom the populace or even the military being complacent as they march over the border.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Look up Kent state shootings. They fired on their own. The people in the military are maybe there for an education but mainly to get paid and some to shoot people. They’ll have no issue attacking us at all.

If it comes to that, those that would have an issue will have left on their own or been purged by that point.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

Canadians will walk amongst their invaders. They wont be safe.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Come on USA : Invade Canada during winter and kneel under the barrage of exploding hockey pocks.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

I can’t believe this is even being contemplated.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I would expect American insurgents supporting our former Canadian allies and friends.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

I know I would.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wouldn't it be better if Canada or Mexico Annexed us? It would send the right kind of signals to the world... "We are cool with everyone" "we want pace". Wouldn't that work? We would gain some more political parties to diversify our political system. I'm not saying let's do it. Its just a thought experiment. At the end of the day we're all Americans inside.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Might be easier to just do the hard thing. Humans are running out of bandaid fixes at the 11th climate wise.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It'd be like a remake of Red Dawn but with the cast of Letterkenny.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

"Give yer balls a tug, ya MAGAt bastard!!" lol

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Because going to war with people who like the cold is always a good idea.

Smh

[–] [email protected] 84 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Do you have any idea how hard it is to focus on school/studying when this is the kind of news that keeps popping up?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

we've instituted Analog Sundays at our house. No screens of ANY kind. No computer, no tablets, no tv, no phone. Books, boardgames, sketch books, musical instruments. It makes for a great brain reset and lowers those cortisol levels a titch.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

I know a few people who've had to limit their news consumption so that they could focus on life. It might help.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 days ago (8 children)

I remember being constantly terrified of nuclear annihilation during the cold war in the 80's, when every night after dinner, Peter Jennings would tell America how close we were to MAD. Now I live in Canada and I have that same existential dread that I had 45 years ago living in the US, except somehow it's even worse

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 days ago (4 children)

It would another Vietnam or Afghanistan. They'd invade, kill a few thousand maybe million people, mire around, and then retreat again with their funds drained and thousands of crippled veterans with PTSD.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 days ago (1 children)

vietnam but the viet cong can drive to your house

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And the Viet Cong look exactly like the Americans this time around. Good luck!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Well they looked like the south Vietnamese, so that really was a problem.

There would also be an internal insurgence south of the border to support the canucks, especially along the border states.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

Don't forget the "mission accomplished" picture while they retreat.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It would be way worse than Vietnam or Afghanistan. Both countries would be devastated and it could spark world war three or a second american civil war.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Canada is home to millions of conflict refugees (i.e. veterans) from SE Asia, northern Africa, and the Middle East. I don’t know what would happen, but I hope this would be a significant factor in any insurgency.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I commented before that I didn't think that Canadian and have it in them to fight an insurgency, but I have been impressed since then with the Canadian civil and political response since them (Carney more than Ford.) Now I realize that the US has never had to face an insurgency at there border, of ppl who they couldn't possible recognize. When you hear stories of Ukrainians who speak Russian being very successful as insurgents gives a lot of suggestion of how Canadians could make it really annoying for the U.S. government. Then think of how the border couldn't all be guarded.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Canadians are not a people you want to piss off. There's a reason they had their own beach at Normandy, they had earned a reputation for savagery during both World Wars, and their special forces operators are some of the finest in the world.

Imagine having the Taliban as your neighbors. Canadian insurgents would be able to regularly hit targets in the United States, and I have zero doubt they would quickly become a force to be reckoned with.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

That's the thing people forget about, they just think of the Nice Canadian who is always saying "sorry." Seriuosly, for a country known for being "nice" people forget that their national passtime is Hockey, one of the least "nice" sports there is.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago (2 children)

decades long is an understatement. unless they mean the US itself will collapse

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

This being something to talk about is fucking incredible.

They've gone completely off.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Maybe not collapse, but they sure as hell won't 'win'.

In a recent article published in The Atlantic magazine, (American military historian Eliot) Cohen used a tongue-in-cheek approach to warn Americans against invading Canada, pointing out that previous attempts led to dismal results.

His review of American military failures starts in 1775, when U.S. troops invaded Quebec, where they distributed pamphlets — translated into French — awkwardly declaring: “You have been conquered into liberty.” The campaign ended in disastrous defeat for the American Continental Army in December 1775.

During the War of 1812, former U.S. president Thomas Jefferson said conquering Canada was “a mere matter of marching.”

“This was incorrect,” Cohen wrote. “The United States launched eight or nine invasions of Canada during the War of 1812, winning only one fruitless battle. The rest of the time, it got walloped.”

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago

There was a certain light colored house that got lit on fire by retaliatory forces back in 1812.

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