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If you are expecting consistency from something like this, you should try getting involved in local politics at least once.
Whatever way you imagine for deciding it, the answer is yes, they do that.
Do they gesstimate? Yes!
Do they hire engineers to guesstimate? Yes!
Do they concede to popular pressure? Yes!
Do they concede to money pressure? Yes!
Do they use the placement to guide the city's evolution? Yes!
Do they change the placement because a business "bribed" (i mean lobbied) for them to not to put a bus stop near them as they don't want to see the poors near them? Yes!
In my experience in Germay, the more expensive shops are closer to public transport. In the same vein apartments near public transport stops are the most sought after and therefore most expensive ones.
That’s amazing, it’s the complete opposite in the US haha
Yeah, actually some companies like IKEA which often are located "on the outskirts" even pay for lines from train stations to their shops - which are for public use and often it's a mixed deal, like the company (or sometimes a few companies, sometimes even competitors) subsidies the line during business hours and the local government pays the remaining hours.
Sometimes this is mandated before business or factories can even open. That's why a few suburban train stations in various German cities have company names (see Siemenswerke) or, more recently Tesla. (Who tried to get out of it,opened their line to late and then tried to claim it as a technical innovation)
Wouldn't it be the other way around ? Lobby to get a bus stop to drag more customer ?
In the US I think busses are generally associated with the bottom of society, so not the customer you want. Just my interpretation
And homelessness the US are the ones tgat gave spikes on park benches it's awful.
Or in the case of my city, they built a bus stop in the massive parking lot between Walmart and Sam's Club for the opposite reason!
I'm sure it was added for both employees and customers.
Yeah that is why I said business not store and yes this is very uniquely American.
A store is a business...
While I don't doubt that there are places in the US that try to keep bus stops from being near businesses for the same reasons they have hostile architecture, it doesn't seem universal at all. Touristy areas have bus stops near businesses that want tourists for example.
What I mean a business that is not a store. Think investment bank or importer B2B business or a highend appointment only boutiques
the municipality asks civil engineers, who ask their computer, then forward the results back to the municipality.
usually the public has a window where they can offer input.
if nobody checks or notices anything weird, they start allocating funding and you have your bus stops whenever they have time and funds to build them.
i like civil engineers, and a lot of them seem to care about their jobs, but their jobs have a lot of restrictions and regulations, so not everybody will be happy with the results.
Estimated usefulness compared up against practicality. Of course you want it where people are, and at yhe same time you want the bus to be able to stop without obstructing traffic.
Were I am at they have some busses that stop at the next intersection if you ring the bell and others that will only stop at designated stops. I always thought they put stops at places they predict people will want to get on and off like government buildings and major private areas like malls and then strewn ones in between at approximate set distances (every mile or two or several). Then I figure they adjust based on if people ring the bell to get off often.
In my city they have a planning commission. They take into account local studies, population patterns, future construction, and ridership data. They plan out the bus routes and stops and then they have a period of public comment. If there's a need for a new stop, residents can petition their local representatives and join commission meetings to make suggestions. Stops are usually eliminated or consolidated when ridership data indicates they're not necessary during annual reviews.
OP you should play Cities Skylines 2 (the original is good too if you have an older system). Then you can design your own bus routes and learn for yourself. It seems like the kind of game that would be right up your alley.
I did play the original many, many years ago. I was thinking of trying it again recently.....
If I had to guess, there are likely traffic studies done before the business get created to find most popular routes.
For existing routes, I was able to get one that was in front of my house removed because there was another one 60 feet away and not in front of a residence. I'm guessing getting one added might be a similar request.
If you need one, reach out to your local transit and ask them. Doesn't hurt to ask!
Where I live, most stops have been in place for decades if not a century at this point. No-one remembers why the all ones that exist now exist where they do, only that they exist there. Some actually migrate over time due to new construction and other factors.
But to guess how they got where they are, at least generally speaking, someone would have designed routes for public transport around main roads and important industrial areas mainly so that workers could get to work in a morning. Businesses may have even lobbied local government or bus companies for a stop near where they were if one wasn't already planned to be there.
Anecdotally, I know a stop near where my parents live was deliberately placed at the far side of a road junction so that factory workers who wanted to get off there were getting off past a fare boundary. That meant that if they caught the bus closer to work rather than a quarter mile up the road, they'd have to pay extra money. Actually, it's so old a thoroughfare it might have been a horse-drawn tram stop originally. Same fare shenanigans though.
That stop migrated to the "cheaper" side of the road junction nearly 30 years ago, but as far as I know, it's still treated as though the fare boundary occurs before it.
Anecdote 2: There have been embarrassing stories of workmen upgrading bus stop shelters only for locals to tell them, and the local news, that the bus service that would have stopped at it has long since been cancelled due to budget cuts. Bureaucracy is a wonderful thing.
Probably put them where the people are standing around in the morning.
They observe the bus in its natural habitat, making notes of its hunting paths, and place bus stops along its feeding grounds where the prey congregated.
A fellow Lemming of science, I see. Respect.
It's all AI and ML using predictive models for the most efficient route planning that caters to the maximum possible population with the least carbon footprint...just kidding, it's a guy in a basement somewhere flicking his boogers at a map and deciding if those spots are good enough for his boogers then they're bloody well good enough for bus stops