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Hegseth shutters Pentagon office that helped leaders plan for possible future wars (www.independent.co.uk)

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Nothing says strong military like not planning for future conflicts

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

“As part of the Department's ongoing commitment to strengthening our national defense, the Secretary of Defense has directed the disestablishment of the Office of Net Assessment (ONA) and the development of a plan to rebuild it in alignment with the Department's strategic priorities. The Department remains committed to conducting rigorous, forward-looking strategic assessments that directly inform defense planning and decision-making."

Like many of his other cuts, it's likely more about restructuring so he can put his own people in the roles. I remain skeptical that Trump is actually some sort of committed isolationist as liberals want me to believe (even though I'd prefer if he was).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

Skeptical? He isn't an isolationist that's just what populists say to get into office.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It's extraordinary how Americans have elected someone who is actively weakening the country and no one is doing a fucking thing about it.

Putin is a genius.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Not only that, but our president is casually tossing around WW3 threats as if he isn't staffing the military with incompetents and drunks.

[+] [email protected] -14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

When did the president toss around WW3 threats?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Panama, Canada, Greenland, that meeting with Zelensky… have you been living under a rock recently? Or do you not think that America attacking one of those places wouldn’t spark a massive world war?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

America attacking Panama, Canada or Greenland would not trigger WW3.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Imagine saying this and telling on yourself this hard.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

What?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

During the argument with Zelensky.

[+] [email protected] -18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I see. He was not making threats of WW3 though, he was warning about potentially escalating to WW3.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

LOL

Sure Jan.

[+] [email protected] -14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

You understand the difference between threatening someone with WW3, and warning someone that they might actually start WW3, right?

Trump isn’t the one who will trigger nor participate in WW3 in neither scenario.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Respectfully, I don't know how you could sit through his first four years, and definitely not the last six weeks, and dismiss anything he says out of hand at this point.

You are being unreasonable.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I do not do that, but a reasonable person must acknowledge Trump is not threatening the world with WW3.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Do you want ww3?

He specifically asked while in a position of absolute power…

The setting and situation definitely would suggest a threat to anyone. Not sure what’s so hard to understand about this.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Threatening with WW3 implies Trump would unleash WW3, you know that’s not the case.

Trump is warning Zelenskyy that escalating the war further has the potential to trigger WW3 with Russia escalating too and European countries joining the war.

The US is not interested in participating.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh yeah? Interesting.

Can you explain further.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What else do you want explained?

[+] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My bad, I thought you were interested in having a real conversation but instead you’re happy to resort to character attacks.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Context is important here.

When you’re in a position of power and trying to coerce your long term ally into submission, while simultaneously colluding with your historical enemy (who is actively attacking your prior ally), and you are threatening to remove aid from them if they don’t submit?

Then say “Do you want WW3?” twice… this constitutes a threat. An indirect threat is still a threat.

You trying to dance around the semantics disingenuously, is really what warranted my prior response—there was seemingly no chance at any understanding coming from engaging.

Likely still not the case…but hey, let’s try a thought experiment.

Let’s say I own a vehicle and I’m helping out a friend—letting them borrow it to commute to work. Without this vehicle they will 100% lose their job and livelihood, thus putting me in a position of control/power.

I request them to start paying for maintenance and bringing the car to a mechanic at specific times even though it will conflict with their job. Concerned about their livelihood, they decline and ask for more flexibility.

Knowing they 100% need this car to maintain a job, I give them an ultimatum of doing it at the specified time or I take the car away.

In my threat to take the car away, am I threatening that they will be fired?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In your example, you are threatening to take your car away from them. Your friend can still go to their jobs by some other means.

Besides, Ukraine is not an ally of the US, let alone a “long term ally”.

There is no dancing around semantics. Putin has threatened with WW3 several times but Trump hasn’t.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Way to completely disregard the analogy and the question I asked.

An indirect threat is still a threat no matter how much you try hard to get around it here.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I did not disregard your analogy and I answered your question.

Donald Trump made no threat, whether direct or indirect, of WW3. He warned Zelensky that should he choose to continue escalating, Zelensky risks triggering WW3.

If I see you play with fire near the fireplace, and I tell you that you are running the risk of lighting your house on fire, I have not threatened with lighting the house on fire.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Indirect threat is a threat. It’s understandable that this is hard for you as a pro Russian trump apologist.

It’s okay though, because the adults in the room got you covered.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 14 hours ago

Ah I see, instead of gracefully accept you’re wrong on this particular instance, you resort to personal attacks. Do better.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

He was talking about it during the campaign as well.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

He's just running Dugins playbook

[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What genius ideas do you have for us to implement in order to resolve this situation General Armchair?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

They don’t need genius ideas.
They’re doing a fucking thing about it.
Sit back and relax. We’ll be saved any moment.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

American militaries, you are welcome to join us the Canadians.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

but they need someone to draw-up the plans for invading greenland, canada, and panama (any others added to that list yet?).

is some muskrat intern gonna run everything through the computer? their computer?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

I’m feeling a bit more optimistic about the invasion of Canada/Greenland if they send the Keystone Kops in to do it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

How comforting that the military is becoming more lethal...to iself

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Russia in the 90s-vibes. Next they're going to sell off their arsenal

(before my time, so correct if way off)