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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

ChatGPT is a tool. Use it for tasks where the cost of verifying the output is correct is less than the cost of doing it by hand.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 hours ago

Honestly, I've found it best for quickly reformatting text and other content. It should live and die as a clerical tool.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Youre still doing it by hand to verify in any scientific capacity. I only use ChatGPT for philosophical hypotheticals involving the far future. We’re both wrong but it’s fun for the back and forth.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 46 minutes ago* (last edited 45 minutes ago)

It is not true in general that verifying output for a science-related prompt requires doing it by hand, where "doing it by hand" means putting in the effort to answer the prompt manually without using AI.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (2 children)

I feel this hard with the New York Times.

99% of the time, I feel like it covers subjects adequately. It might be a bit further right than me, but for a general US source, I feel it’s rather representative.

Then they write a story about something happening to low income US people, and it’s just social and logical salad. They report, it appears as though they analytically look at data, instead of talking to people. Statisticians will tell you, and this is subtle: conclusions made at one level of detail cannot be generalized to another level of detail. Looking at data without talking with people is fallacious for social issues. The NYT needs to understand this, but meanwhile they are horrifically insensitive bordering on destructive at times.

“The jackboot only jumps down on people standing up”

  • Hozier, “Jackboot Jump”

Then I read the next story and I take it as credible without much critical thought or evidence. Bias is strange.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Can you give me an example of conclusions on one level of detail can't be generalised to another level? I can't quite understand it

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Perhaps the textbook example is the Simpson’s Paradox.

This article goes through a couple cases where naively and statically conclusions are supported, but when you correctly separate the data, those conclusions reverse themselves.

Another relevant issue is Aggregation Bias. This article has an example where conclusions about a population hold inversely with individuals of that population.

And the last one I can think of is MAUP, which deals with the fact that statistics are very sensitive in whatever process is used to divvy up a space. This is commonly referenced in spatial statistics but has more broad implications I believe.


This is not to say that you can never generalize, and indeed, often a big goal of statistics is to answer questions about populations using only information from a subset of individuals in that population.

All Models Are Wrong, Some are Useful

  • George Box

The argument I was making is that the NYT will authoritatively make conclusions without taking into account the individual, looking only at the population level, and not only is that oftentimes dubious, sometimes it’s actively detrimental. They don’t seem to me to prove their due diligence in mitigating the risk that comes with such dubious assumptions, hence the cynic in me left that Hozier quote.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

“Wet sidewalks cause rain”

Pretty much. I never really thought about the causal link being entirely reversed, moreso that the chain of reasoning being broken or mediated by some factor they missed, which yes definitely happens, but now I can definitely think of instances where it’s totally flipped.

Very interesting read, thanks for sharing!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago

I have frequentley seen gpt give a wrong answer to a question, get told that its incorrect, and the bot fights with me and insists Im wrong. and on other less serious matters Ive seen it immediatley fold and take any answer I give it as "correct"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

Exactly my thoughts.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

come on guys, the joke is right there.... 60% of the time it works, every time!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

Exactly this is why I have a love/hate relationship with just about any LLM.

I love it most for generating code samples (small enough that I can manually check them, not entire files/projects) and re-writing existing text, again small enough to verify everything. Common theme being that I have to re-read its output a few times, to make 100% sure it hasn't made some random mistake.

I'm not entirely sure we're going to resolve this without additional technology, outside of 'the LLM'-itself.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

i mainly use it for fact checking sources from the internet and looking for bias. i double check everything of course. beyond that its good for rule checking for MTG commander games, and deck building. i mainly use it for its search function.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

does chat gpt have ADHD?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago

same with every documentary out there

[–] foxlore 22 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Talking with an AI model is like talking with that one friend, that is always high that thinks they know everything. But they have a wide enough interest set that they can actually piece together an idea, most of the time wrong, about any subject.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 hours ago

Isn't this called "the Joe Rogan experience"?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

I am sorry to say I can frequently be this friend...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

One thing I have found it to be useful for is changing the tone if what I write.

I tend to write very clinicaly because my job involves a lot of that style of writing. I have started asked chat gpt to rephrase what i write in a softer tone.

Not for everything, but for example when Im texting my girlfriend who is feeling insecure. It has helped me a lot! I always read thrugh it to make sure it did not change any of the meaning or add anything, but so far it has been pretty good at changing the tone.

Also use it to rephrase emails at work to make it sound more professional.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

I do that in reverse, lol. Except I'm also not a native speaker. "Rephrase this, it should sound more scientific".

[–] [email protected] 9 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I use chatgpt as a suggestion. Like an aid to whatever it is that I’m doing. It either helps me or it doesn’t, but I always have my critical thinking hat on.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Same. It's an idea generator. I asked what kinda pie should I should make. I saw one I liked and then googled a real recipe.

I needed a SQL query for work. It gave me different methods of optimization. I then googled those methods, implemented, and tested it.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

If the standard is replicating human level intelligence and behavior, making up shit just to get you to go away about 40% of the time kind of checks out. In fact, I bet it hallucinates less and is wrong less often than most people you work with

[–] [email protected] 6 points 14 hours ago

My kid sometimes makes up shit and completely presents it as facts. It made me realize how many made up facts I learned from other kids.

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 day ago (2 children)

First off, the beauty of these two posts being beside each other is palpable.

Second, as you can see on the picture, it's more like 60%

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 18 hours ago (12 children)

I did a google search to find out how much i pay for water, the water department where I live bills by the MCF (1,000 cubic feet). The AI Overview told me an MCF was one million cubic feet. It's a unit of measurement. It's not subjective, not an opinion and AI still got it wrong.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

I just think you need an abbrevations chart.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago

Shouldn't it be kcf? Or tcf if you're desperate to avoid standard prefixes?

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