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Does anyone watch these movies?
I know what the sales numbers say, but I have never once ever heard anyone bring up avatar, or the lore, or how it made them feel.
The first one was literally just Pocahontas, but we all went and saw it cause everyone talked about how we were going to.
As I seem to have to say in all of these threads about avatar since hating on them has become some kind of personality.
Hi yeah I really enjoyed the both movies and looking forward to the third one. I have watched both in theaters and own physical copies of both and probably the third.
14 year olds in 2010 were pointing out its Pocahontas, it's not wrong but it's not rocket science to know the point and budget of these movies is the tech used to build and render the world which sets the standard for movies for years to come.
Would love to hear any original thoughts if you have any
As I seem to have to say in all of these threads about avatar since hating on them has become some kind of personality.
Shitty movie gets hyped by the media because it has a famous name attached to it, millions of people get dragged by someone to go watch it because of the overhyped nature, millions of people now hate it.
It's not a personality, it's just a shared shitty experience that many of us have.
14 year olds in 2010 were pointing out its Pocahontas, it's not wrong but it's not rocket science to know the point and budget of these movies is the tech used to build and render the world which sets the standard for movies for years to come.
Lol, Im supposed to like it because it's a 4 hour long tech demo for CGI that's slightly better than it was the year before?
As someone who didn't enjoy the first movie and didn't see the second one, both of you have valid opinions but only one of you is pushing the idea that the movie is objectively shitty. It's not objectively anything, and you don't have to yuck anyone else's yum.
You're not wrong, but I went off on it because the person I'm replying to pushed the idea that people were hating on it because it was their personality as opposed to hating on it for its flaws.
Your initial criticism wasn't even that it was bad, just that it was shallow, which is an objective truth. The triggered minority who identify as blue cat people don't want to live in reality with the rest of us though, so they have to come up with these cope reasons like "you're just a hater" or "you're just too dumb to understand it". Like you can enjoy the franchise and not pretend it has more depth or symbolic value than it actually does, there is nothing wrong with enjoying some light entertainment. People always have to make these things their entire personality now though, so any valid critique immediately gets twisted into a personal attack.
What's wrong with Pocahontas? This kind of story never gets old because the Native Americans' situation never gets better.
The first one was definitely a massive cinematic event because of its visuals and the second one was also an event in itself because it was the sequel to the first film. If the third is released any time soon then I might reconsider going to see it. The gap between the first two was sort of what interested me but the second wasn't as visually impressive for its time as the first. I would be surprised if there were many Avatar "fans", though. It just doesn't have anywhere near enough depth to its characters or their world and a lot of its themes about spirituality and indigeneity feel like some borderline cultural appropriation white guilt stuff. The people who are really into that aspect of the films are revealing quite a lot about themselves and their own insecurities, I think.
like some borderline cultural appropriation white guilt stuff.
I feel this is more telling on you tbh. Honestly as an adult I appreciate it and it's world building. It's does portray colonialism and does go into many other interesting topics and world values, unfortunately none of those messages hit you, I'm truly not surprised.
I don't think it's them, Avatar is pretty commonly regarded as a classic example of the White Savior trope.
It's not about whether or not they "hit" me - they are just extremely superfluous and lacking in any depth. If you like the film that's nice, but its take on colonialism is objectively at a primary school level with its one-dimensional bad guys and noble savages.
Plus Last of the Mohicans and a smidge of Smurfs.
literally a remake of fern gulley.
That's the other reference I forgot! Thanks.
And Tim Curry's devilishly smooth vocals.
And Tim Curry's devilishly ~~smooth vocals~~ absolutely everything.
It's almost like we've been telling these stories for centuries and nothing ever changes.
Almost like were telling the same story that's been around for hundreds of years with the latest technology available. I'm sure in 40 years you can tell your grandkids how lame avatar is because the new generation of the same story is out
First one was only successful because of James Cameron's name and fancy new 3d gimmick
That "just Pocahontas" argument is kind of tiring because retelling a story doesn't automatically make it bad. It's like saying "Lion King, meh, literally just Hamlet".
Lion King is an actual adaptation of Hamlet that tells its own story following the rough large plot beats of Hamlet. Avatar is just Pocahontas set in the Halo universe, with the names switched.
And at a base level, the Disney version of the Pocahontas story is not a particularly interesting or nuanced plot line, which makes its adaptations that much more plainly obvious and surface level, compared to something introspective like Hamlet.
I always thought it was more Dances With Wolves.
Does every director fire their editor once they reach a certain age?
Ridley Scott, Cameron, Scorsese, Coppola... feel like there's been back to back 3hr + movies in recent years
If they want to lure people into theaters instead of waiting for streaming on a modest home set-up, it's high time they reintroduce...
Images from Don Hertzfeldt's The Animation Show.
Please don't touch me.
They do, see Brutalist.
Honestly I think it's jealousy of television. Films were viewed as the highest form of entertainment. The people you mentioned are the best in their fields and they make films. Unfortunately films are only 90-120 minutes. So I'm sure they've had to sacrifice story over the years to fit that time limit. Of course over in television land, especially modern television, you get hours to tell your story.
One season of a TV show, or even a miniseries, is easily 10 hours. You can tell a great story in 10 hours. If you've written a great story, you hate cutting that down to 90-120 minutes. So the films get longer. Now you've got 3 hour films. Realistically these folks would probably make amazing miniseries. But that's television. They are filmmakers.
I think it's probably a reflection of their age, reputation and personal wealth, as well as how much of the casual cinema audience has died out and shifted to streaming. They can make a 3+ hour epic for film enthusiasts to see in the cinema and then put it on a streaming service where everyone else can watch it in two or three sittings very easily thanks to the playback position being retained on exit.
Neither Scott's nor Coppola's last film was over 2 1/2 hours long
Sounds more like a threat
But will it have papyrus?
No God, please no!
But will it actually be worth watching?
No
Well, it’ll be long. So, it has that much going for it.
I still can’t believe that movie ended with space a whales swimming montage.
Like who cares? We have real whales that are far more interesting, go film them James
I tried watching that second one a few weeks ago. I think I fell asleep 17 minutes into the film.
I saw it in IMAX 3D. Most expensive nap I've ever taken.
oh no this one will need 2 loo-breaks
Length of a movie is no longer a flex. Not since LotR special edition dvd cuts
So I'll be able to take TWO naps during it, then.
