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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago

The last bid I reviewed for a new office recommended Brother printers (woot) but the color laser had toner lock-in. I recommended an alternative and the owner agreed.

Too bad these companies won't know about the products they don't sell because of this crap.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I have a Brother MFC-9340CDW that I salvaged from work last year; we replaced it because it kept getting a ghost "paper jam" every time you tried to print something. Turns out the cause is an $18 board that's known to fail. Scanner still works fine though, strangely.

I also have a Kyocera FS-3900DN b&w laser printer from 2006...or somewhere around there. It does the thing, and can even be managed with a CUPS server since it has 10/100 networking.

Now to figure out how to disable automatic firmware updates on the Brother πŸ€”

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Glad I've got an Brother laser that has no network connectivity.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

I've always promoted commercial inktank printers for people who do a lot of printing, and people always mentioned Brother as a response, but tbh I've never really hopped on the bandwagon to shill for any particular company.

Just a good commercial inktank printer. A regular printer with all the bells and whistles is going to cost you like $100 and $45 for each ink pack you buy, you might as well just spend $450 on a printer, write it off as home office expense, and call it good.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

Can't watch right now, but is there a list of affected devices?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Are there actually any good printers? I would pay more for the printer itself if you just don't try and scam me afterwards. It feels like a hopeless space.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

You might have to consider buying used.

Even older HP printers are fine (and I know people love to shit on them, but they too used to be perfectly safe and reasonable choices). More or less the safe/unsafe divide coincides with the switch from printers with 2x16 character displays to ones with full colour screens.

I've got a 2012-designed (but mine is 2017-built) HP Colour Laserjet CP5225dn, it has none of the modern lock-in shenanigans.

Just gotta find one that's new enough that consumables are still readily available (fortunately this usually isn't too difficult), and in good physical condition.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

I didn't even know he had a brother.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I have a Canon color laser printer which works pretty well and doesn’t pull any of this shit. They’re probably the last one standing now.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I heard Brother was good, then I spent way too long formatting different USB sticks in different cluster sizes and formats, and never got ours to work with any of them. Don't buy Brother if you want that feature, either.

[–] alphapuggle 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

FYI an MBR table with a fat32 partition is probably what it was looking for. If that doesn't work odds are the port is broken

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Go with a bottle printer, or at least a laser and get a standalone scanner for USB. Cartridges suck, literally, all-in-ones even moreso.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

Great, brother are the only ones I'll still buy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Ugh.

$100 mono laser printer

Well, you probably aren't getting a $100 laser printer unless they've got a razor-and-blades model. I definitely paid more than $100 for the mono laser I have. I don't know what printers out there are gonna be fine with third-party ink (or toner), but any that do are going to cost more, because they aren't relying on ink sales to make the printer business viable.

He says that he doesn't know what to recommend any more, now that Brother has started doing this too.

I understand that Epson has some inkjet printers that don't use ink cartridges. You just pour more from a (cheap) bottle into the tank. Like, they can't implement a lockout, and there are other manufacturers that sell ink for them.

kagis

"Ecotank".

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=ecotank

But if you want those, they're gonna cost more than printers that are using the razor-and-blades model and expecting to make their money on the ink.

https://epson.com/For-Home/Printers/Inkjet/c/h110

There's a list of their home inkjet printers. Notice how the "EcoTank" ones cost more than the non-EcoTank ones.

Like, one way or another, the printer manufacturer is gonna make their money. Either it's not razor-and-blades model, in which case the printer is gonna cost more but the ink is cheaper, or it's razor-and-blades and you get a cheap printer but pay more in ink and the printer manufacturer will do everything they can to lock out anyone else from selling ink for the thing.

EDIT: I'd add that I am not personally a huge fan of inkjet printers unless one really needs what they can do, like printing photo-quality images, because they have so many more issues with ink handling than do lasers. I can have laser printer sit without powering on for five years, then turn it on, and it'll come right up and work fine. Inkjet printers are prone to clogging problems.

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