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Trump just presided over one of the greatest diplomatic disasters in modern history, with flared tempers, raised voices, and shredded protocol.

Never before has a U.S. president bullied and berated an adversary, never mind an ally, in such a public way.

During a tense Oval Office meeting, Trump and JD Vance attacked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, demanding he accept a peace deal with Russia or lose U.S. support.

The conversation devolved into shouting, with Trump accusing Zelenskyy of being ungrateful and “gambling with World War III.”

The meeting ended in chaos, with no agreement reached.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 23 hours ago

Finally a fucking accurate headline. All of this "argument between zelensky and trump" horseshit was so immediate and widespread. Trump couldn't even handle his own unjustified attack. They needed vance to to start with verbal diarrhea and buzz words so dementia donny dipshit had things to free associate with. They ganged up and bullied to try to force him to break, and he held.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Holy shit, Trump stopped the war on Day 1, just like he promised. What a genius of diplomacy. The artist of the deal. So american 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Art of the steal

[–] [email protected] 89 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Trump's unreasonable nature is so obvious in the full video that I don't see how anyone with two braincells can be on his side. Some highlights I want to share:

Reporter asks at 37:39 "… and who would protect those minerals … ?" Trump: "They'll be protected. The agreement will protect them. The agreement, yeah we're signing an agreement." Reporter: "Right but what if Russia tries to invade or there's russian agression in those spots." Trump: "I just don't think that's going to happen." He then deflects by trying to discredit the reporter since he couldn't answer the question. So instead of giving Ukraine any guarantees or acknowledging Russia's previous deceit, he hand waves it away.

At 33:45 "… what did [Putin] tell you that he wanted peace?". Trump: "My whole life is deals … I've known him for a long time, he had to suffer through the Russia hoax, you know Russia Russia Russia it was a hoax. It was all Biden it was nothing to do with him … I think that he wants to make a deal and he would like to see it end." What an absolute nothing answer. He's asked why he believes this is viable and after a short attempt at making Russia the victim he just says, rephrased, "because, lol".

At 39:50 Vance goes on a truly incoherent ramble about how Biden tried "thumping [his] chest and pretending that the president of the United States words mattered more than the President of the United States's actions" and thus "the path to peace and the path to prosperity is maybe in engaging in diplomacy". Ah, diplomacy, the path that is famously known for it's lack of words... sending money to Ukraine or providing military aid? Those aren't actions, they're just words. Zelensky goes on to ELI5 to Vance how Putin broke diplomacy before the clips everyone is posting begins.

And just for fun, at 30:15 Trump delivers a line so stupid it almost breaks Zelensky's poker face: "I've stopped wars, I've stopped many wars. My people will tell you, I've stopped wars that nobody ever heard about. I stopped wars before they ever started. … I could give you a lot of nations that would tell you right now they were probably going to war — I could tell you right now there is a nation thinking about going to war on something that nobody in this room has ever even heard about."

This is ignoring all the times they try and blame Biden for Russia invading Ukraine which just ???

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Their first, still very polite disagreement that evening was when Trump said that the US has given a lot more aid than Europe did, to which Zelensky very politely replies 'they gave a lot', clearly avoiding the obvious 'they gave more', to which Trump then replies 'they gave a lot, but much less than we did', to which Zelensky replies with a clear 'no.' and then they laugh. You could argue that Zelensky does not need to do that, but he gives credit where credit is due to the Europeans, and he doesn't let a blatant lie about an ally slide. It's the type of moment that's beautiful and horrendous at the same time. Source: https://youtu.be/CSe0ntgfpq4?t=726

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago

I finde it borderline insane that not more people just tell the fat fuck no when he just lies.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The stupid part is that Trump / Vance made themselves look like assholes. Zelensky was over to sign a deal and they threw him out for disagreeing with their dumb talking points. And far from making America "great", I expect that Canada, Europe, UK, Australia, Japan, South Korea etc has collectively decided that they need to reduce their dependence on America while these malignant narcissists are in charge.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago

while these malignant narcissists are in charge.

Not just then. Even if a standard quo administration magically appeared right now, it has been proven the the US can turn into a fascist dictatorship on a dime. It's an extremely unstable country and should be kept at arm's length as long as it has the current system of government, no matter who's in charge.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 126 points 2 days ago (88 children)

I can't wait for Trump to die

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Watching that made my stomach hurt. I'm so embarrassed. Not that I wasn't before, but Jesus Christ. Every time he opens his mouth, every time I see a new article about the horrendous shit he's doing, that rage from the election results comes back again. I feel like I have to watch it all, but this is so fucking painful.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Most pathetic behavior from nation leaders i have ever seen, how Trump and Vance even talk is unbearable, its like watching the Boys in actual real life unbelievable. It would be funny if the world wasnt at stake

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 days ago (3 children)

i like how jd kept flubbing his lines. I HAVE BEEN TO... I HAVE SEEN REPORTS ON TV ABOUT STUFF

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[–] [email protected] 411 points 2 days ago (32 children)

Zelenskyy is a goddamn hero

fuck trump fuck vance fuck musk fuck putin

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 days ago (3 children)

His tone is quite different with Kim Jong Un and Putin.

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[–] [email protected] 171 points 2 days ago (13 children)

Why would any nation that does not have nukes not start making nukes right now?

The USA has shown over and over, it's the only thing we take seriously. We don't give a fuck until you have nukes. We don't care about treaties, alliances, deals. We only care if you can start the nuke wars. Anything else is just "how can we take advantage of you?"

Also .. World, I understand you're not reading this, but for the three of ya that do, boycott us. Tariff the shit out of us. You got this, and thanks for all the fish.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I'm just sad that Zelensky needs to keep good relations with the US so that he can still get something from them, because I'm sure that otherwise he would have completely destroyed their arguments there.

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[–] [email protected] 113 points 2 days ago (11 children)
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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Eat shit, Pumpkin Tits.

You too, couch fucker.

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[–] [email protected] 263 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I checked a few parts for a few minutes. It was too painful to watch.

Troomp and JD couch showed the worst traits leaders could have. The obvious ones are the American superiority complexes and the toxic need to escalate and talk down upon others.

In all of the bits I saw when skipping trough it, Zelenksy deescalated the situation multiple times while Trump and especially Vance escalated and started talking like some pretentious teenager bullies that gotten themselves a country.

Fuck the USA.

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