You know you done fucked up when Hideo Kojima can't follow your storyline.
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We will know the MCU is truly cooked when either an American Kingdom Hearts uberfan, or Tetsuya Nomura himself can't figure out the MCU plotline.
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What does "officially becoming Cap" mean?
Steve Rogers Captain America literally passes the Captain America shield to Sam Wilson in Endgame. Is that not officially Sam Wilson Captain America's start?
Sure, Falcon and the Winter Soldier will go on to tell the story of Sam's struggle in becoming the next Captain America, but by that series end, Sam is definitely Captain America.
When Brave New World starts, Sam is Captain America. The opening battle, that's Sam Wilson Captain America.
If you've seen Endgame, you know Sam is Cap. If you've seen Falcon and the Winter Soldier, you know Sam is Cap. If your introduction is Brave New World... Sam is Cap.
That said I get the Brave New World & Thunderbolts confusion. Bucky is a Captain America character, so seeing Bucky in the Thunderbolts trailer makes that film seem like a Captain America film. I know it's not that simple and it's a shared universe, but I get that one.
He did say that he vaguely remembered the end of Endgame with the handing over of the shield, and that he did not see Falcon and Winter Soldier, so from his perspective it does seem jarring for him to be Captain America all of a sudden. Perspectives matter.
If I had to guess what he was communicating it would be about an official re-showing of the handover of the mantle in the beginning of this new movie, and not requiring people to have seen a previous TV series.
It could have even been just a montage, from him being given the shield, to where he was at the beginning of the opening battle in this movie, mixing in a recap of Falcon and Winter Soldier best scenes.
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What the fuck is that licensing link at the bottom of your comment all about?
People think it actually means something. Kinda like the “post this on Facebook to prevent Meta from using your post!” type things. It’s just feel good pointlessness that won’t effect anything meaningful.
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Kinda sorta…. SovCits attempt to incorrectly apply a bad interpretation of some laws in ways they think it will benefit them.
This is more in line with what it’s actually supposed to do, but it just has less teeth than a newborn baby and there’s no way that they would ever be able to have any sort of recompense or enforcement so it’s functionally useless.
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But that's my point, you don't need to have seen Falcon and the Winter Soldier. It adds character growth and is worth seeing, but if you skip it and only watch Endgame and Brave New World, he ends one as Captain America and starts the other as Captain America.
Additionally if there were any confusion, before Sam Wilson gets all suited up we watch a news anchor talk about Sam Wilson as Captain America, cut to a bar where Sam Wilson is called Cap and then the bartender repeats that the drink is on the house for Cap.
No one watched Spider-Man No Way Home and went, wait, when did Tony Stark die? Why is Peter so sad about Tony Stark?
I havent seen Brave New World yet, but Marvel movies really should start doing something in their intros to briefly show important moments in prequel movies
A re-CAP, if you will.
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In the Thunderbolts Trailer, it shows US Agent (who has a costume similar to Captain America) using a round shield to block gunfire. If that trailer played before the movie he was watching, it's understandable someone that didn't watch Falcon and Winter Soldier would think "oh that guy is Captain America now, I guess? Thought Sam Wilson was going to be Captain America... but ok, I guess." Then the move starts and it actually is Sam Wilson as Captain America.
This is the problem with there being so many entries into the franchise and filmmakers assuming everyone has watched them all. Most people aren't going to know who US Agent is and from the Thunderbolts trailer, they might assume it's a new Captain America.
I agree with Thunderbolts confusion. Brave New World and Thunderbolts should not be coming out back to back.
Brave New World was originally due out a year ago, but things happen.
Now the idea that John Walker caused the confusion actually makes a lot more sense. If you've never seen Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and the last trailer you saw was for Thunderbolts you could be confused why some dude who looks like Cap shows up. THEN you watch Brave New World, it's Sam, like you always thought. Now it seems like you missed something, because you did, but that thing now feels noticable.
That all actually makes more sense.
It felt so strange to me, as it seemed like Bucky was the more natural choice to pick up the mantle. Might've been more interesting too
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If kojima can't follow your story, you know you're cooked.
Am I the only one who reads this as satire by Kojima?
This is literally what people used to say about his convoluted plots with a million references.
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I thought it was pretty obvious he was going to be the next Cap after End Game (? The one where they finally beat Thanos). Even if you hadn't seen Winter Soldier, it was super obvious foreshadowing in Endgame.
I vaguely remember big boss being a woman in MGS3 but then in 5 suddenly they're a man?!
I get your point, however the pedant inside me wants to point out that they literally proclaimed Naked Snake "Big Boss" at the end of MGS3.
Also she was called "The Boss".
You know why she was "The Boss?" Because it's not nice to call a lady big. 😌
Unless it's Eva calling herself Big Mama in 4.
TIL there's more than one Captain America. Dude's pulling a Spider-Man
At this point in the MCU there’s been three people that have carried the shield.
Steve Rogers
John Walker
Sam Wilson
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I mean the show is about Sam deciding if he wants to be cap or not
Yeah but it's demonstrating pretty handily that demanding your audience watch a streaming series to follow your movie beats is a bad idea.
Especially such a mediocre one
This is satire, this is the same kind of nonsense people said about his games.
This is a tongue in cheek statement by Kojima.
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I want to know how he feels about Red Hulk throwing hands with Sam.
Not everyone rewatches MCU movies every year, so it’s understandable. What I don’t understand is why people think it would take a whole movie to convey that Sam Wilson is now Captain America.
"It's me, I'm here, deal with it"
I don't get it. They should cater specifically to people who have seen other Captain America movies but haven't seen (or don't remember) Endgame? What an arbitrarily narrow demographic.
It’s sarcastic. The number 1 critique people have about Kojima’s video games is that the plots are convoluted, and major plot points are often hidden in offshoot games. The Metal Gear series practically requires a college level 101 course to accurately follow.
If you’ve ever played the Kingdom Hearts series, it’s a lot like that; If you only played Kingdom Hearts 1, 2, and 3, you would have no fucking idea what was happening in the plot. Because the vast majority of the story in between each game is buried behind spin-offs.
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