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[–] [email protected] 110 points 4 days ago (7 children)

OMG here we go again.

In most democracies, there are election poll watchers from the major parties, and also independent poll watchers to observe and make sure no shenanigans are going on. The Democratic and independent poll watchers would've reported any election irregularities. I not seeing widespread reports of such.

States run elections, even safe blue states shifted 10+ percentanage more red.

So my conclusion: The vote count itself is probably legit.

The real "rigging" was done via unlimited political spending legalized by the Citizens United ruling to unfairly buy propaganda spreading lies. That, exacerbated by inflasion, voter apathy, democratic party incompetence, voter roll purges, and most important of all: Human Stupidity. And this timeline is the result.

Think about all those people getting scammed all the time. You see those stories and be like "OMG how can they be so stupid". Well this is the same, but with politics and elections. Talk to people and you'll see how dumb they are. Some people genuinely think that fascist coup plotter will fix things. 🤦‍♂️


These elections (like the one OP is talking about) are election has lower turnout, so it probably favors democrats, since democrats are more energized to vote after the defeat last november.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There was a ton of irregularities reported btw. I forget the exact number but like 20-40 with enough evidence that they were bringing the cases forward. But when Trump came in he appointed someone to a role who dismissed them all.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I want to believe that, cause it confirms my biases, but you gotta source?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Took me a while but I found what I was thinking of.

It was the Fired FEC head

But it wasn't because she was fired they didn't go forward, it's because the board is 3/3 dem/rep so a republican would need to 'flip'

Asked by Alicia Menendez, "What is most alarming to you?" she replied, "Well, I can't talk about anything that would be currently before the commission by law, complaints that are filed and any investigatory action remains confidential until the cases are closed."

She then continued. "But I can tell you that in the past we have had 63 separate complaints filed against the president or his political committees –– and not all complaints are well-founded not all complaints are worth the agency's time to pursue. But our nonpartisan professional staff has advocated that we pursue 31 of those cases and, in not a single one, did we get four votes to move forward."

This is one of the things they talked about in the election interference hearings in December too

“Almost every matter that the FEC has not pursued is associated with the former president [Trump]” (Rep Torres, about 57minutes in)

Link to thread discussing: https://www.reddit.com/r/somethingiswrong2024/s/JUGCXE7Gab

Link to full hearing on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/live/mIDJ5whpSHQ

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Trump's been talking about how he won because of Elon "being good with computers"

Investigations were launched over less

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago

Everone is getting real jumpy around Isreal. Isreal has a booming cyber security industry and is one of the biggest exporters of security exploits that they sell to corporations and nation states.

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 4 days ago (8 children)
  1. He didn't "handily win" he won by 1-2 points in the swing states.

  2. It tracks with an anti-incumbent sentiment, people are not happy with inflation so they voted against the incumbent, they're still not happy and still voting against the incumbent.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 days ago (10 children)

And he only won because a few million people who voted in 2020 sat on their asses instead of voting this time.

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[–] [email protected] 241 points 4 days ago (21 children)

There absolutely is way. The dems are routinely ineffective and they lost a lot of votes from 2020 because of the whole "Harris backs Israel in a genocide" thing.

Just cause the greater evil won doesn't mean the left needs to start peddling unfounded "stolen election" conspiracy theories. It's completely reasonable that enough people realized they fucked up by voting for Republicans, Third Party, or abstaining and took this as an opportunity to refute the actions of the current administration.

[–] [email protected] 109 points 4 days ago (17 children)
[–] [email protected] 63 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I've also seen evidence that the same systemic election interference, voter purges/disenfranchisement, gerrymandering, etc — the leading reason for GOP wins over the last 20 years, and were never legitimately addressed or removed — were more than enough to secure Trumps win of the EC.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 days ago (2 children)

What if there was statistical evidence of probable tampering?

All of the allegations listed on this site have fairly logical explanations when given context.

Republicans pushed against mail in ballots hard, so it makes sense that Harris would do better with mail ins and trump would do better with early voting. It also makes sense that trump voters mainly cared about the presidential election compared to Harris voters. It also makes sense that Harris underperformed as Democrats didn't get to participate in a primary. Basically it makes sense for there to be abnormalities in an abnormal election, that doesn't mean there's "statistical evidence of probable tampering".

Plus Trump, in his rambling, said something that [heavily implies tampering with vote counting machines

Right...... But this means that we would be questioning trump's honesty based on assuming that trump is being honest on this particular subject. He's a troll who likes to stir the shit and make people assume he's more competent than he really is, the same as musk.

It does not behoove progressives to question the reliability of elections without real evidence. Having people question the reliability of elections only serves conservative agenda of making it harder for people to vote.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 4 days ago (5 children)

You honestly think the party of "Every accusation is a confession" who spent 4 years screaming about election fraud didn't commit election fraud?

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 days ago (3 children)

The problem is the down ballot. I'm having trouble believing that a whole lot of people went out there and voted for Trump for president, and Democrats everywhere else.

I understand staying home. I understand voting Republican. But lots and lots of split ballots?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 days ago (5 children)

A decent number of trump voters only voted for Trump. They left the downballot blank because they don't really care about anything but Trump

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (7 children)

There's actually quite a lot of evidence.

https://electiontruthalliance.org/

https://smartelections.substack.com/p/so-clean

The tabulators switched after 500 votes and restricted dems to 45%, the data looks artificially smoothed to hide this. The same pattern is visible on elections going back to 2014.

They also found the remote access code for Dominion machines on a public repo with the private admin password in it, there's evidence of breaches all around the country from people associated with Trump. They got caught red handed, told us they were doing it the full time.

And that's before we get to the voter suppression, and 10-20% of the country being in a state of algorithmically induced psychosis.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago (6 children)

I don't disagree with the sentiment, but I think it's more to do with them saying how great "the economy" is. They didn't even try to appeal to the working class. They just told them they should be appreciative. They lost because they eschewed the left.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Why aren't we talking more about all the mail in ballots that were destroyed in mailbox arson attacks or by postal workers?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago

Yeah, something about this shift in focus feels like a psyop. We have clear evidence of targeted voter suppression, destruction of ballots, etc. In a two party system, fraudulently removing your opponent's votes has exactly the same impact as creating fake votes for yourself. That's already clear evidence of fraud, why are we redefining "evidence of fraud" as a new thing that we haven't found yet?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago

Let's be frank: it was a special election where about a tenth of eligible voters turned out.

Trump ain't gonna see an FDR level midterms victory, unless he manages to destroy the American democracy totally, but I wouldn't look at this as evidence of some major shift by itself.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

At this point anyone who denies Elon stole the election is just as wilfully ignorant and naive as I was when I thought Trump didn't collude with Russia. How much blatant evidence do you need before you admit that the cheating fascists are cheating fascists? (they never will because democrats are doing literally nothing to stop Elon illegally dismantling the government) (edited to fix an autocorrect)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I mean - just by money and messaging or is there some actual data from voting that shows irregularities?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/

4,776,706 voters were wrongly purged from voter rolls according to US Elections Assistance Commission data.
By August of 2024, for the first time since 1946, self-proclaimed “vigilante” voter-fraud hunters challenged the rights of 317,886 voters. The NAACP of Georgia estimates that by Election Day, the challenges exceeded 200,000 in Georgia alone.
No less than 2,121,000 mail-in ballots were disqualified for minor clerical errors (e.g. postage due).
At least 585,000 ballots cast in-precinct were also disqualified.
1,216,000 “provisional” ballots were rejected, not counted.
3.24 million new registrations were rejected or not entered on the rolls in time to vote.

If the purges, challenges and ballot rejections were random, it wouldn’t matter. It’s anything but random. For example, an audit by the State of Washington found that a Black voter was 400% more likely than a white voter to have their mail-in ballot rejected. Rejection of Black in-person votes, according to a US Civil Rights Commission study in Florida, ran 14.3% or one in seven ballots cast.

There are also the uncountable effects of the explosive growth of voter intimidation tactics including the bomb threats that closed 31 polling stations in Atlanta on Election Day.

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 4 days ago (12 children)

People on the left need to stop peddling this “Trump stole the election” stuff. It plays right into his rhetoric about our elections being rigged and allows him to cry again whenever his side loses. The comment in the screenshot looks like a fucking bot anyway.

Dems didn’t dump Biden early enough and the average American voter is dirt fucking stupid. Plus you’re telling me there’s some sort of massive conspiracy to alter votes in 7 different states with separate election systems and no one blabbed?

While I agree that every accusation is a confession until we see some hard proof that’s peer reviewed I’m skeptical. We shouldn’t be focusing on the past anyway, it doesn’t solve our current problems. We need to focus on the present and future.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 days ago (17 children)

Election denialism seems to just now be a feature of American politics

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (28 children)

I’m sorry, but this is the most egregious example of “both sides do it” that I’ve ever seen.

The republicans made denying the election a central pillar of their platform, and the lies was repeated by virtually every leader in the party. And a violent mob stormed the capitol in an attempt to overturn the vote.

Show me a fragment of that being done by the left.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (8 children)

It should be plainly obvious everything that Republicans complain about is sheer projection.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 days ago (12 children)

He already admitted Musk rigged the voting machines

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

He won "legitimately" by suppressing the votes he couldn't get in swing states. I heard that if you're black or in a metro area in a swing state that your vote was likely thrown out through some beurocratic bullshit.

Grain of salt: I did hear this on YouTube and I don't remember the channel, it might have been humanist report or something like that. It definitely sounded legit, though.

They had four years to corrupt the election offices in specific areas and I 100% believe they could and would pursue that opportunity.

EDIT: another poster shared this, this is basically the same thing I heard. https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

And what we'll see is by next election this guy will lose his seat because Republicans and Independents are dumber than goldfish.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Part of why Trump wins is simply because there's more brand recognition for him. He gets media written about him very easily and his photo gets splashed around BY BOTH SIDES!

In today's politics there's nothing worse than becoming "what's his name" - "the other guy".

In the age of the para-social relationship the big names get the votes, regardless of whether they're liked or a reasonable choice.

Oddly enough the establishment left seem to think politics is a meritocracy. Which is idiotic and part and parcel with them being generally out of touch.

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[–] Zink 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah sure they're a bunch of evil criminals, so if they had the methods to cheat they probably did.

But let's say that tomorrow there are worldwide headlines about some irrefutable smoking gun evidence. Or maybe Musk goes on TV being a little bit too high, or Trump gives an interview while a few neurons too many wither and die in his skull, and they say they did it, tell us where to find the evidence, and say it was worth it and they did it because they are patriots trying to save the country. Just doubling down on the old "He who saves his Country does not violate any Law."

DOES ANYTHING EVEN HAPPEN? Who is gonna do something about it?

The absolute most extreme result I could possibly see being reality would be that Trump manages to get Musk accused and convicted for the interference. That would be just as funny as it is unlikely, but it would fix nothing.

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