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This question was inspired by a post on lemmy.zip about lowering the minimum age to purchase firearms in the US, and a lot of commeters brought up military service and training as a benchmark to normal civilians, and how if guns would be prevalent, then firearm training should be more common.

For reference, I live in the USA, where the minimum age to join the military is 18, but joining is, for the most part, optional. I also know some friends that have gone through the military, mostly for college benefits, and it has really messed them up. However, I have also met some friends from south korea, where I understand military service is mandatory before starting a more normal career. From what I've heard, military service was treated more as a trade school, because they were never deployed, in comparison to American troops.

I just wanted to know what the broader Lemmy community thought about mandatory military service is, especially from viewpoints outside the US.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

I'm against forcing 18 year olds to use guns. Give them some alternative like civil/public service and do something good for society.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I am pro mandatory military service, but not as it is done.

Everyone must serve. No getting out of it, but one may delay service by a short period while deathly ill or pregnant.

The military must accommodate all and their families.

Service reoccures every 10 years for 1 year.

Senator, President, judge? Too bad.

Old? You will be accommodated and your experience valued.

About to die but out of delay? Please accept the best medical care possible. Also, your friends and family can visit.

Everyone benefits from strong defense, so everyone must contrubute.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

I am pro mandatory military service

I mean... I disagree with you, but...

Senator, President, judge? Too bad.

I agree with this part 😆

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What about disabled people?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

The military must accommodate all and their families.

Military will clearly provide safe tasks, health care, and pay.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Everyone benefits from strong defense, so everyone must contrubute.

I'll give you a little bit of wiggle room here because you're probably inexperienced with this stuff, but this sentence is massively incorrect.

"Everyone benefits from food so everyone must pay for the food they eat"

"Everyone benifits from housing so everyone must pay for the housing they live in"

"Everyone benefits from police so everyone must pay taxes no matter if they have a job or not"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Senator, President, judge? Too bad.

No getting out of it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

Professional army.

Support and train a reserve army of those willing. Citizens that could support the country and other citizens in the case of an invasion. Some countries do that. I like to think of those.

Only if otherwise necessary general service. E.g. active invasion you can't otherwise oppose, or you can't establish a minimum reserve.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

I think military service in general is kind of important since you can actually get attacked (thanks to russia for making my point).

We had mandatory military service for men in germany and it was canceled. I sure hope it stays that way bc it isnt efficient to make kids who have better options waste their time on something they dont actually want to do. We have a professional military for that. AND if we had it, women of course must go too.

But besides that especially in countries known for their warcrimes and batshit crazy politics, like the US, I think its clear that mandatory military training would be a bad idea.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Completely fucked up.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Works best for countries that have a primarily defensive military. You have a large population of resevists to draw on for an invasion, and unless there's something wack going on with your government, there usually isn't a problem of motivating draftees when your country was invaded.

Volunteer militaries tend to need propaganda to get people to join up, even in relative peacetime. That attracts a lot of people who like the idea of shooting people in other countries. Not everyone who joins up is like that, of course. Some are also in bad economic situations and have no other line of work, and some bow to family pressure. In any case, you'll have an easier time convincing them to fight people abroad.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

At least in the US, many young small time criminals are given the choice of jail or military.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It is abuse and violation of person's freedom and dignity. It (and people supporting it) should be fought by any means necessary.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

How about taxes going to a military? Or is it just being forced to directly do morally abhorrent things?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Or is it just being forced to directly do morally abhorrent things?

Not just "morally abhorrent things", any forced labor is wrong.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Taxation isn't because there's a middle man between your labor and the government?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Well, you raise a valid point, it's also bad of course.
It's just that "forcing you to do a thing (a physical labor) you do not want to do" and "forcing you to give up a part of your salary" are different things.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Amazingly, I'm not a big fan of slavery.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I don't really have a solid stance on it. Case by case, country by country. But at least a country that has citizens that have gone through a little bit of service have people who are at least slightly more knowledgeable on how to defend themselves in case they need to rebel or defend themselves with a gun (so long as the people remember their training).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Join the military, die for your (oil) billionairs! Its an honor!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Here, you pay 6 months wage equivalent to go for only 21 days, or go for 6 months on the front lines and 12 months as reserve

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago

Underdeveloped countries have it.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 5 days ago

I think anyone who owns a car and lives in the suburbs or in a rural country area should have mandatory military service.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

It should only happen if we need it

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