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[–] [email protected] 90 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This prompts the question, "Are vampires repelled by all alliums or just garlic?" I feel like the answer to this question could advance antivampire defense technology significantly. To get started, I'll just need $10M and as many vampires as I can get. DM me for details.

Side note: I love The Other End comics.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 days ago (2 children)

That's a good question. And if it's only garlic, does wild garlic (Allium ursinum) count? It tastes very similar to real garlic (Allium sativum)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Allium ursinum

So THAT'S why it's called bear onion (bear garlic) in my language!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's possibly the other way around.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'd assume it follows the same pattern in the relationship between wild and cultivated species/cultivars, with the wild species being smaller and less potent in the desired characteristics. I can see you're a much-learned person in this field of study, and I encourage you to apply for a position once we get the funding.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Are you suggesting that one of the traits bred into domesticated garlic was vampire repelling?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The people who who domesticated garlic were not killed by vampires, yes?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

People used to think it works like this, but it's actually even more fascinating!

The vampires could still kill some people who domesticated garlic, but only those whose garlic was weak. This introduced evolutionary pressure, or in other words: by accident, they selected for stronger garlic.

It's like when you take antibiotics and stop too soon, leaving only the most resistant bacteria alive.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Vampires domesticated garlic and started a rumor that it repelled vampires. Tricked humans into pre-seasoning the vampires food.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

This is headcannon now.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Would that then mean that growing garlic is an evolutionary adaptation of humans to the pressure of vampirism?

Would that then imply Italy has a significantly higher number of vampires than normal?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If based on per capita consumption, China has the most vampires.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

...And the omnipresence of garlic in Chinese cuisine would also be what drove jiangshi to develop garlic immunity, makes sense.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

TIL about jiangshi. Thanks.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It could be more complex than that. It could be an average number of vampires preying on an evolutionary disadvantage - hospitality. Vampires cannot cross a threshold uninvited, but Italians are famous for welcoming everyone and their mothers to dinner. It was a recipe for disaster until they found the holy bulb.

Ever wonder why Italy has crosses in every home? Why the Vatican formed there? Could it have been a long and storied history of the rise and fall of romans and religions? No. Vampires.

It was more obvious when they all had big bellies, but have you ever noticed that the Pope sitting in his white outfit and hat looks like unpeeled garlic?

Personally, I think both theories can be true. It is hard to corroborate dates for our records. Immortal bodies that burn away in sunlight pose some archaeological challenges.

But consider this:

What if Italy had a significantly higher number of vampires than normal? Before they learned the secrets of Allium, and faith, and a big wooden spoon always close at hand.

  1. A world where fast and foreign foods dot the Italian countryside. Faith has been abandoned, crosses discarded. Their traditions are forgotten. But their traditions have not forgotten them.

Only one grandmother remembers the past. Cross on the mantel. Big wooden spoon. Garlic in the sauce. One big dinner, every week. Everyone's invited.

Coming soon to a theater near you:

Nonna: No Blood Before Supper

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

I would watch that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not being a doctor of botanoanthropovampirology, it's hard for me to say. A cursory search suggests garlic traveled along population centers as they developed throughout history. This makes sense as vampires would find it both easier to hide and feed. I suspect Romans first acquired garlic to address the vampire problem, but it's now a vestigial phenomenon in Italian cuisine inherited from the Romans. It would be interesting to compile a list of cities by population density and filter out the ones that commonly use a lot of garlic. The remaining cities should be the most vampire-infested, if my theory is correct. Subsequently, the minority that commonly uses garlic in those cities should proliferate along with their garlic, leading to a garlic-rich new culinary culture.

History of Garlic

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

are you suggesting garlic migrates?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not at all. They could be carried.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If carried by a swallow, it could grip it by the husk.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

not much call for protection from vampires around swallows, i'd think

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Vampire bats.

Also, I was referencing the coconut scene from Monty Python:

SOLDIER: Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

ARTHUR: Not at all. They could be carried.

SOLDIER: What? A swallow carrying a coconut?

ARTHUR: It could grip it by the husk…

SOLDIER: It’s not a question of where he grips it it’s a simple question of weight ratios. A five-ounce bird could not carry a one-pound coconut.

ARTHUR: Well, it doesn’t matter. Will you go and tell your master that Arthur from the Court of Camelot is here.

A slight pause. Swirling mist. Silence.

SOLDIER: Listen, in order to maintain air speed velocity, a swallow needs to beat its wings forty-three times every second. Right?

ARTHUR: (irritated) Please!

SOLDIER: Am I right?

ARTHUR: I’m not interested.

SECOND SOLDIER: (who has loomed up on the battlements) It could be carried by an African swallow!

FIRST SOLDIER: Oh, yes! An African swallow maybe…but not an European swallow. That’s my point.

SECOND SOLDIER: Oh, yes, I agree with that…

ARTHUR: (losing patience) Will you ask your master if he wants to join my court in Camelot?!

FIRST SOLDIER: But then of course African swallows are non-migratory.

SECOND SOLIDER: Oh, yes.

ARTHUR raises his eyes heavenward’s and nods to PATSY. They turn and go off into the mist.

FIRST SOLDIER: So they couldn’t bring a coconut back anyway.

SECOND SOLIDER: Wait a minute! Supposing two swallows carried it together?

FIRST SOLDIER: No, they’d have to have it on a line.

SECOND SOLDIER: Well simple - they just use a strand of creeper…

FIRST SOLDIER: What, held under the dorsal guiding feathers?

SECOND SOLDIER: Why not?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

i'm aware, but we've already established that it wasn't swallows.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fair enough. I still feel like vampire bats might be a threat. Also, we don't know what reservoirs harbor vampirism. Perhaps sparrows are carriers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

how would sparrows transfer vampirism without teeth?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They wouldn't directly. They'd have to be bitten by something else that acquires vampirism from them and transfers it to another host, like malaria.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, I think that's how reservoirs work, but I'm not a public health expert.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_reservoir

[–] [email protected] 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

imagine having to explain at the vampires anonymous meeting that you got it by cleaning out your bird feeder.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I think you'd have to at least have an open wound and come into contact with fresh blood since it's a bloodborn pathogen.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

...do we know that? maybe vampires just have really bad dental hygiene

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I think vampirism being a bloodborn pathogen is the consensus.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

could be a fungal infection

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Stamets2

Oh god not another one

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago

I'm controversial to an extent.