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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"BE UNGOVERNABLE!!" says the political party that wants to control every aspect of private life and turn you into an underpaid, uneducated drone.

Well, if you insist.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the political party that wants to control every aspect of private life and turn you into an underpaid, uneducated drone.

As someone who basically hates the modern GOP, this kind of sensationalism doesn't help.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seems an accurate description of Republican policy to me.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah and guess what, people on the "other side" are saying ridiculous things about you like you want to murder babies and force children to be gay. And they say, with just as much conviction,

Seems an accurate description of Democratic policy to me.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not a big fucking leap to say that the party making laws against teaching history and wearing certain articles of clothing want to control people and keep them ignorant. If you think it is, or think it's a "both sides" issue, you're part of the problem.

The thing about the golden middle is that it's a thought-killing fallacy. If you just assume people on both ends are equally nuts, you can just stake out the territory precisely in between them and never actually have to think about the merits or morals of any given policy position.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

control every aspect of private life

I'm not arguing for a golden middle, no need to strawman me. I'm saying that sweeping generalizations like above are just circlejerks.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They are literally trying to control what clothes you can wear and what words you can use to refer to yourself.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Are they trying to control what breakfast you eat? How you tie your shoes? What music you listen to?

Extrapolating from a few cases to claim there's a broad trend is lazy thinking. In the context of political discourse, it creates echochambers, misunderstanding, and hatred. Like conservatives who say "all liberals want to murder babies"

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

I prefer my political parties to know what democracy means and what republics are.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Don't they bill themselves as law and order?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Law and order just means not questioning cops when they murder people in the street.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

That's the tricky thing about political dog whistles, that words have multiple, related meanings. They can say "law and order" and we hear law as "rule of law," and order as the lack of civil unrest.

They hear law as police power, as in "the law is at the door," and order as hierarchy. E.g. white conservatives are at the top of the social order.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

These are the same people who filled out fake electoral college ballots to try to steal the presidency for Trump…

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

someone hit me with the "America is not a democracy" t'other day.

I asked "do Americans not vote then?"

no reply.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We do. But the people we voted for in the past get to decide who we are allowed to vote for in the future. And money decides who gets their message spread to the most people.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

That is (a form of) Democracy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

What I’ve heard some of them advocate (trump in power indefinitely, followed by his children) isn’t a republic, so

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We vote to suggest to a smaller group of people who they should vote for. It’s the smaller group of people who’s vote actually counts. I’m surprised they weren’t able to respond.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's (a form of) democracy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure is! It’s not what I’d want to for presidential elections, since the electorial college is a terrible idea. Thankfully it’s only the presidency that’s decided by electorial college.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

not to belabor it - but my point was that the phrase "America is not a democracy" is false.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago

Chemically sterilize them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

They don’t actually do any governing in the first place, so this isn’t anything new

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

The GOP are the rules lawyers of real life, struggling to play fair and fighting everyone to see the same definition as they do for things like "rights" and "democracy". They don't fight because the believe a few hundred million people want to have their voices ignored - they want to be right and have their fight instructions popped into their ear.

"We don't live in a democracy..." Is said by those who want to change America from a democracy. We are trying our best to be a democracy but those trolls and oligarchs stiffle any attempt to be a democracy and then hold it against us.