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Of course, I'm not in favor of this "AI slop" that we're having in this century (although I admit that it has some good legitimate uses but greed always speaks louder) but I wonder if it will suffer some kind of piracy, if it is already suffering or people simple are not interested in "pirated AI"

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

Meta's model was pirated in a sense, someone leaked it early last year I think, but Llama isn't that impressive, and after using it on whatsapp seems like nothing got better.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Not pirated. But my country, Spain, released an open AI model completely for free. Everything is open. The training data the models and everything. It's supposedly ethically trained with open data(I have not personally dig in the training data but it's there published).

It's focused on spanish and regional languages of spain. But I think it can also do things in English.

Not piracy per se, as it's completely legal. But there's something you don't depend on any bussiness to run.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I'm pretty sure those things are trained on content which was obtained without paying royalties to the creators, hence by definition pirated content - so that would count as "piracy around them".

On the opposite side, as far as I know the things created with Generative AI so far can't be copyrighted, hence by definition can't be pirated as they've always belonged to the Public Domain.

As for the engines themselves, there are good fully open source options out there which can be locally installed (if you have enough memory in your graphics card) and there seem to be thriving communities around it (at least it looks like it from what bit I dipped into that stuff so far). I'm not sure if it's at all possible to pirate the closed source engines since I expect those things are designed to be deployed to very specific server farm architectures.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

Training is transformative use. Sluicing data through a pile of linear algebra, to mechanically distill the essence of words like "fantasy," is not what copyright protects against.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

There are quite a few options for running your own LLM. Ollama makes it fairly easy to run (with a big selection of models - there's also Hugging Face with even more models to suit various use cases) and OpenWebUI makes it easy to operate.

Some self-hosting experience doesn't hurt, but it's pretty straightforward to configure if you follow along with Networkchuck in this video.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Any that are easier to set up on a phone? I tried something before but had trouble despite having enough RAM.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

Not that I'm familiar with. I would guess that the limited processing power of a phone would bring a pretty poor experience though.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I mean they stole people's actual work already, so they're the bad kind of pirates.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Just like people steal movies from the high seas? I hope this is sarcasm.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

More like, they took content and make money from it without paying to content creator.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nope, there's a difference there in that they aren't taking something from ordinary people who need the money in order to survive. Actors, producers, directors etc have already been paid and besides, hollywood etc aren't exactly using that money to give back to society in any meaningful way most of the time.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They did not take money from anyone. Are ‘t we on the priacy community? What is with the double standards? It’s theft if it’s against the Little Guy(tm) but it’s civil copyright violation if it’s against the Corpos?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm against corporations. Not actual people. I don't see how that's double standards at all.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

That tracks.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That makes no sense. Define pirated AI first.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

Yeah the whole of generated AI feels like legal piracy (that they charge for) based on how they train their data

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There already is. You can download copies of AI that are similar or better than ChatGPT from hugging face. I run different models locally to create my own useless AI slop without paying for anything.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Which model would you say is better than GPT-4? All I tried are cool but are not quite on GPT-4 level.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

I’ve had good success with mistral

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Are you referring to ollama?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No because that is just an API that can run LLMs locally. GPT4All is an all in one solution that can run the .gguf file. Same with kobold ai.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Cool I’ll check that out

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 hours ago

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Some of the "open" models seem to have augmented their training data with OpenAI and Anthropic requests (I. E. they sometimes say they're ChatGPT or Claude). I guess that may be considered piracy. There are a lot of customer service bots that just hook into OpenAI APIs and don't have a lot of guardrails, so you can do stuff like ask a car dealership's customer service to write you Python code. Actual piracy would require someone leaking the model.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can just run Automatic1111 locally if you want to generate images. I don't know what the text equivalent is though, but I'm sure there's one out there.

There's no real need for pirate ai when better free alternatives exist.

[–] Zikeji 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

There are quite a few text equivalents. text-generation-webui looks and feels like Automatic1111, and supports a few backends to run the LLMs. My personal favorite is open-webui for that look and feel, and then there is Silly Tavern for RP stuff.

For generation backends I prefer ollama due to how simple it is, but there are other options.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not sure it it counts in any way as piracy per say, but there is at least jail broken bing's copilot AI (Sydney version) using SydneyQT from Juzeon on github.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

Tried to get bing to find the jailbreak for me not couldn't quite get it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Jailbreaking LLMs and Diffusers is a thing. But I wouldn't call it piracy

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

@incognito08 AI could be a direction in piracy too imo