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If all my data is for sale and China can just buy all my data from Meta, Amazon, Google, etc. Then why not just skip the middleman? At least if I give my data directly to the CCP, Zuckerberg won't have access to it.
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I think we need legislation to give us privacy in the world wide web and in that aspect you are correct. Where I disagree is that information is harmless and you dont care if the CCP has it or the US has it. In the USA we have freedoms that chinese dont have, also hundreds of thousands chinese nationals are coming through the mexican border. Why are they coming to the US by the hundreds of thousands if China is good and the US is bad. Joining another chinese app is insane and if they reach huge #s they will ban those apps as well.
I agree with you on the web privacy legislation, but the point u/Filthmontane was making is that the CCP could have our data anyway, by buying it from Meta or Google, so at least giving it directly to China is better (in that at least Meta and Google don't have it). I think that argument is only half-serious, but after the whole Cambridge Analytica debacle still more serious than it should be...
When you sell data you choose what to sale. When you are the one collecting all that information you dont have a limit on what you can collect. Selling them data is safer than letting them collect from the source. I dont think we should be selling peoples information and a hell no to us letting china collect it.
FBI: "Be careful what Apps you use because they are all collecting data on you" "Cover your Webcam, it is probably hacked" "Turn off location on your phone, because that's being hacked" "All of our phones are being spied on by China from a back door via the telco infrastructure that the Government refuses to correct, because they want to spy to"
Congress: "Tiktok is the biggest problem"
I think the Chinese hackers inside american isp's hardware etc are a way bigger risk...
Doh
Just doh
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Oh nooooooooo
If they ban rednote I am dropshipping my data directly to Xi
I thought that was kind of the point... people started using red note because it was openly what the government fears Tictoc could be as a form of protest.
What's next a news story that says people printing out their browser history and dropping it off at the chinese embassies, might be giving their private data to china?
If that's true then people are more stupid than i thought
Oh they are. Albert Einstein: Two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, but I'm not quite sure about the universe yet.
That sounds like ascribing a lot more thought to a stupid event than was actually involved.
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I'm not quite sure if I'd call it a stupid event... honestly I think a lot of good came out of it in weird ways. I think some good came from American's and Chinese citizens talking to each-other directly may have created some better understanding. IMO I think propaganda around the world will be far weaker, when your average citizens start regularly talking to average citizens around the world.
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I mean it's low thought but it's definately a flat out blatent rebelious response. If they were just migrating to find a tiktok alternative that isn't on the governments radar to get shut down they'd be going to youtube shorts, instagram, or maybe find a niche other platform to build it up. Picking a Chinese app, that is flat out in Chinese, is obviously rebellion.
honestly I think a lot of good came out of it in weird ways. I think some good came from American’s and Chinese citizens talking to each-other directly may have created some better understanding. IMO I think propaganda around the world will be far weaker, when your average citizens start regularly talking to average citizens around the world.
I wish I was as hopeful as you
Yeah, obviously, but the US isn't going to implement privacy laws because that would impact American tech corporations as well, who also do mass data collection.
Which means they've legislated themselves into a game of whack a mole. Without true regulations all they can do is wait for the next mole to pop up.
Incoming: all apps offered on the appstore must be whitelisted and approved by the DOGE. If a social media apps is not approved they can sell themselves within 24h to Musk in order to get apprlval.
No shit
Someone: and they just hand over their SSN to you?
Zuckerberg: Stupid fucks
Boo hoo! The US can't spy on it's people anymore because everyone got wise and switched to foriegn apps.
This has nothing to do with the security or privacy of the people. They're pissed because they're losing power over them.
On a side note, everyone that has joined REDnote is waking up to the lifetime of propaganda the american government has been feeding them. This past week has been wild.
I just learned from red note that Chinese people don't pay property taxes. Once they pay off their mortgage, they just own their home. I'm definitely the one living in a third world country.
there’s genuinely been some class consciousness getting into play
i saw some users from both countries compare prices of eggs and vegetables, and they even did the necessary math of accounting for average wage and cost of living. the chinese users are not allowed to talk about their politics (sadly; this is a bad thing) but they are allowed to talk about foreign politics and they are probably bigger fans of Luigi Mangione even than i have seen in English speaking social media. there are candid discussions of queerphobia as well in its different social (and for the US, political too) manifestations between countries.
The funny thing is at any point the US government can ban the collection of personal user data. It could just be illegal for any company to do this in the US.
But like you said, it's just about the US wanting to spy on its own citizens but not wanting other countries to.
Look at the companies with the highest market cap in the US and just start counting how many make money from selling personal data. The US will never implement wide sweeping privacy laws. To the detriment of everyone.
“it’s okay when we do it” —the US on literally everything it criticizes in other nations
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got wise and switched to foriegn apps.
The Chinese aren't the ones firing people for posting pro Palestinian things on social media or attacking protestors on college campuses or protecting white supremacists in Oregon or Washington. That's our agencies, our cops.
Security risks, like interacting with Chinese people and undoing decades of our propaganda
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