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Luigi Mangione

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/35308298

OH YEAH THEYRE TALKING ABOUT IT NOW

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[–] [email protected] 125 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (4 children)

I would say that jury nullification isn't just some accident of the legal system, but the primary reason we have juries in the first place.

Judges will say that juries are meant to just decide the simple facts of the case. But what sane person would ever design a system that assigns 12 random untrained nobodies to do that task? If all that mattered was judging the facts of the case, why not have 12 legal scholars instead? Why isn't "juror" a profession, just like being a lawyer or judge is? If we want people to just apply the letter of the law to the facts of a case, why not fill juries with professionals, each who had a legal degree, and who have sat as jurors hundreds of times? Judging evidence and reading law is a skill. And it's one that can be educated on, trained, and practiced. Why do we have amateur juries, when professional juries would clearly do their purported job so much better? Or why not just do what some countries do, and have most or all trials decided solely by judges? What exactly is the point of a jury? Compared to everything else in the courtroom, the jurors, the ones actually deciding guilt or innocence, are a bunch of untrained amateurs. On its face, it makes no damn sense!

No, the true reason, and really the only reason, we have juries at all is so that juries can serve to judge both the accused AND the law. Juries are meant to be the final line of defense against unjust laws and prosecution. It is possible for a law itself to be criminal or corrupt. Legislative systems can easily be taken over by a tiny wealthy or powerful minority of the population, and they can end up passing laws criminalizing behaviors that the vast majority of the population don't even consider to be crimes.

The entire purpose of having a jury is that it places the final power of guilt and innocence directly in the hands of the people. Juries are meant as a final line of defense against corrupt laws passed by a minority against the wishes of the greater majority. An unaccountable elite can pass whatever ridiculous self-serving laws they want. But if the common people simply refuse to uphold those laws in the jury box, those laws are meaningless.

THAT is the purpose of a jury. It is the only reason juries are worth the trouble. A bunch of rank amateurs will never be able to judge the facts of a case better than actual trained legal scholars with years of experience. But by empowering juries, it places the final authority of the law firmly in the hands of the people. That is the value of having a jury at all.

Jury nullification is not just some strange quirk or odd loophole in our justice system. It's the entire reason we have juries in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Unfortunately for Luigi is they will pack that jury with rich ceo. It will be the first jury filled with nothing but the elite.

If it ever goes to trail. Good chance they "suicide " him long before that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

I don't think they will Epstein him pretrial. It will make him a martyr, and it may start a new wave of more killings. They added the terrorism charge so they could legally kill Luigi.

Now if he gets away with it..

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I have you tagged as "spits facts"

Checks out 😎

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Do you tag through an app or something like a “lemmy enhancement suite?”

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

It's a feature on voyager app. Not sure if there are other apps/ extensions. In voyager it can be turned on in the settings

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 hours ago

God damn, I'm saving your comment it's so spot on.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

He gets out of this unscathed he's probably got free drinks for life from anyone that recognizes him

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 minutes ago

If I owned a bar and that man came in, you bet I'd be making sure he gets nothing but the absolute best.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Luigi Mangione, the 26-year-old accused of killing UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, has received more public support than is typical for a man charged with first-degree murder.

Sure, when he does it, they call him "dragon slayer." But when I do it, they call me "baby and puppy stomper." Life is so unfair for people who want to make billions stomping on infants! /s

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 hours ago

Everyone knows the joke of "but you fuck one goat...", but I'm now pretty sure the opposite is also true. Luigi could fuck all sorts of goats and it still wouldn't be what he's known for.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (2 children)

I wonder if things would be different if this guy wasn’t as hot as the sun.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I dont necessarily think its just that he looks good. We all know its a large combination of factors and I believe his biggest boon is that hes not batshit fucking insane. He has a level, adjusted head and speaks well. If there was one thing that could have tanked him, it probably would have been a manifesto containing the ramblings of insane conspiracy theories.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Not really following this case but did he actually write the latter?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 50 minutes ago* (last edited 50 minutes ago)

No, he wrote a very well spoken manifesto laying out how the cost of US healthcare continues to rise as our life expectancies are stalling or even decreasing, these healthcare CEOs are leeches on society, and that he it happy to be the first person to do something about it

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 hours ago

I mean when your right your right, but gift horses and all that