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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure only people on the internet argue about this. No one actually cares what other's do with their last name after marriage.

This post has 2017 reddit vibes. Not in a good way either.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

People literally change their names because they feel like it, so I'm sure people do care outside the Internet, specially in circumstances of abuse.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Sorry OP but this kinda gives "EPIC: WOKE FEMINAZI OWNED ON CAMERA" vibes.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Yeah... it can be interpreted that way. But even as a feminist myself, it is a dumb performative sort of protest. Paternal surnames are the least important fixtures of our patriarchal society, and, unless it was created wholecloth, there are no surnames that aren't patriarchal historically, as the meme points out.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If they think their actions are having much effect, sure, but otherwise I think you're making assumptions and overreacting. Not everything is for show, people can do things like that just because they personally want to.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The context of the meme implied she was doing it because she's a feminist and that taking her mother's name was somehow an expression of that. Of course she can do that, but it isn't achieving anything if that was the goal

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

she is achieving and asserting herself, a right that is denied to her on most every other level.

names are symbols. taking ownership of your name may not be material, but it is meaningful. if names were meaningless, trans people wouldn’t change their names, African-American communities wouldn’t change their names, et cetera. but they do, and feminists do, because achieving oneself, having domain over oneself even to the extent of identity, is meaningful especially against a history where that right is restricted against you in favor of the dominant class.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Sure. It would be personally meaningful. Changing your name is always meaningful, I would hope. But it is not contributing to the the dismantling of the patriarchal norms. Not every action has to be, of course. But the conceit of this post is implied to be that her intention was just that, a rejection of patriarchal naming conventions. If that was her intention, it was misguided and failed to achieve that goal.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It’s one of those posts that IS funny, but makes OP’s viewpoint ambiguous. And if this was reddit, incels would come out of the woodwork to support the meme.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

with no ill will for you, OP, genuinely fuck this boomer ass “joke”

a woman’s name is her name. she lives with it for 1 lifetime, absolutely no shorter than her grandfather does. “male” is not somehow the default human identity. stop trying to enforce that standard.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I think the point of the joke might be more that an attempt to start a matrilineal naming scheme is foiled somewhat from the fact that the maiden name of the mother is derived from her father, i.e. you can't escape that the last names all come from patrilineal sources for generations.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If a woman is committed to the idea, she could break the patrilineal naming convention simply by creating herself a new last name, and encouraging her children to take that name instead of their father's.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

This is true, but who decided that a woman keeping her maiden name is just using her father’s name? That idea comes from patriarchy. If I inherit something at birth, like a rare coin, it’s mine, whether it came from my mom or dad. The same goes for a woman’s name—it’s hers because she’s had it since birth. Suggesting she doesn’t own it, and must create a new name to escape, reinforces the idea that only patrilineal identity matters and undermines her autonomy in making that choice.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

…yeah? exactly what i said? i don’t disagree at all except you possibly ignore that the butt of the joke is the woman, normalizing the very repression she attempts to subvert. it’s undermining and mocking the woman’s identity intentionally by asserting the dominance of patriarchal schemes over her own life and decision. (perhaps unintentionally, but nevertheless really.)

in America, historically Black names are also dominated by the history of slavery and white supremacy (different functions, but the end result: subjugation, is parallel). i would post a similar comment hating on a post mocking Black folk for resisting these patterns as well! :)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Love the little respectful preamble you put there, can we make that internet discussion standard plz.?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

in my friend group we have a guy we describe as "default {name}", in order to differentiate him from the other {name}s in the group. He's a cisgender heterosexual white christian male (a rarity among us). Mostly it's a joke, because we all agree that being mildly offensive is kinda funny, but it's also a commentary on society at large. If you're online talking to people you know nothing about, it's a safe assumption (christian less and less as the years go by though).

It is absolutely ok to not be "default settings". You're not doing anything wrong by not confirming to that standard. I didn't decide what default is, I learned it by observing society.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

appreciate your insight! i fully agree with everything except perhaps:

You’re not doing anything wrong by not confirming to that standard.

still a correct statement on its own, but needs the clarification that it’s not chill to mock or hamper the efforts of that “Othered” community to subvert or reclaim their repression. while it’s certainly not wrong for a woman to conform to the patrilineal system, it’s not chill to “gotcha”-laugh at this woman for using the same name she and her mother have owned their whole lives.

it’s a very Rush Limbaugh-esque “you claim to he a feminist, yet you live under the forces and histories of the patriarchy, curious 🧐” joke, in that it’s not wrong, it’s just intensely and obviously comes from a place of ignorant disrespect.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Its not an unusual thing for lesbian couples to pick a new surname for themselves.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

It’s a shit post, I’ll give you that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (11 children)

When people get married they should come up with a completely new last name for them both.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

our beautiful baby boy Robert 3de2d34e-a089-4a5a-acd8-b00d7c7eb07a

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Oh yeah, little Bobby 3d we call him

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I mean it's not far off from Musk's X AE ZigZag VII Advent Children and Kkkopernicus Diceware Password kids.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Make up your own surname to assert dominance. Or go by your internet handle.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Reminder that surnames didn't exist before the middle ages, you just had a singular name that people shouted to get your attention. Since you lived in a community of several dozen people, you didn't need to do much to differentiate yourself from the other "John" in your town because everyone knows each other. You lived and died just as "John" and would be remembered by your kids for a generation if you were lucky. There was no need to keep track of genealogy, you were a pair of hands and legs, you were supposed to get out there and plow that field and that's all your baron or lord cared about.

But somewhere after the black plague ravaged Europe and we lost a sizeable chunk of the human population, suddenly workers became in high-demand. Industrialist lords and landowners suddenly didn't have people smithing their horse shoes or making their bread, so they had to go poach people from far away towns and suddenly workers had power and options. As a way to get noticed for your family's tradeskill, you would have been wise to advertise this to wealthy employers, the best way was to attach your trade to your name. You were now John Baker to differentiate yourself from John the Drunkard if anyone came looking to hire someone who could cook bread.

So surnames are advertising. It's all it's ever been. There's nothing ancient and special about your name, it was just how your ancestors tried to make a buck.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (12 children)

Unpopular opinion: Last names are inherently patriarchal and so is marriage

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I know this is a shitposting community but these are, every goddamn one of them, the dumbest possible takes you could have opened a new year with.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

why yall having a war in the comments? its a silly meme about last names, who the actual fuck cares?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Because their entire poltical and world view is based on identity politics. They cannot simply say "that joke sucked" and move on, they have to make it into yet another virtue signalling exercise and lecture everyone else because that is the behaviour they associate with being a "good person".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Probably anyone who ever gotten any pressure about handling last-names after marriage might care. It's definitely something that some people care about, and some people cop flack for their decision.

The joke is just a joke, but the problem is that this joke punches down. That's generally poor form.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

if you are getting "punched down" (aka offended) by a joke posted on lemmy, by a random guy, you should realize that it is simply not that deep

yeah i didnt get any pressure about handling last names, so you might say "you just dont get it" but when i go to linuxmemes and see a meme about a distro i use, i dont go to comments and start a war about it bc it is just a fucking meme, same concept

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