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Summary

Rep. Annie Kuster, a 68-year-old Democrat from New Hampshire, retiring after 12 years in Congress, cites a desire to “set a better example” and create space for younger leaders.

Her decision comes amid growing public concern about aging politicians, with about a quarter of lawmakers over 70. Kuster’s successor will be Maggie Goodlander, 38.

Democrats are increasingly elevating younger leaders following setbacks in 2024, which some attribute to the perception of aging leadership, including President Biden’s controversial reelection bid.

Calls for age limits remain popular but face significant legislative hurdles.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Calls for age limits remain popular but face significant legislative hurdles.

They are our fucking employees. We should be able to choose the terms of their employment. Seems like a pretty fundamental tenant of a fucking democracy to me.

We should have made a provision for National referendum For things like this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

It's as if they have a union, because as much as we employ them, they can only be fired under certain conditions which they vote on.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well, we cannot even stop them from insider training. Then there is the problem of all the legalized bribery....I would think age limits faces much more of an uphill battle, even without the moral quandary it poses.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What moral quandary? No one but pedophiles complains about the fact that age minimums for certain activities exist. Cognitive function is a bell curve and old people are on the back end of it. That's just a fact of life. What is controversial about it?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well, with age also comes wisdom, so forcing people out when they might be hitting a stride is rather immoral (and foolish) if you ask me.

It'd be one thing if we were to start applying cognitive tests beyond a certain age...I'd hate to lose the likes of Bernie just based on a number. If someone is sharp and able-bodied well into their nineties or even later, what is the point in pushing them out?

But again, as I say, even this line of reasoning is rather static and fixed in time. This kind of discussion may age very badly if/when age extension/age reversal comes online, and I don't want us setting something up that will likely come off extremely anachronistic just based on one of the last remaining prejudices that, at this point in time, is still permissible and even fashionable in polite company - and that is ageism. The rules of government are rather famous for not keeping up with the times and it seems foolhardy to try to put something into place that may very quickly become ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

With age comes wisdom, but at our politician's ages, so do issues like dementia and Alzheimer's

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Possibly, but also maybe not. You have to treat people as individuals. That's what cognitive testing would be good for, in any case.

Bernie is 83. He'll be 89 when he most likely retires. I say as long as he is of sound mind and body, I want people like him in there. If he was forced out at some arbitrary cutoff, we would have missed out on decades of his input.

Not everyone ages equally.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The idea is that we choose every election.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

We could have more choices if we replaced First past the post voting by passing state level electoral reform.

But then the Democrats would have to actually compete for yiur vote so that's a hard pass.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We choose the person we don't choose the terms.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

We most often don’t choose the person either. The parties usually decide for us who is even allowed to run.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

The parties usually decide for us who is even allowed to run.

It's for the best, otherwise someone might run as a Democrat that doesn't support their policies. /$

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Which you choose when you vote in the primaries.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So, about that democratic presidential primary....

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Biden won it. I don't think an incumbent president has ever lost their primary when running for re-election, at least not in modern times when they actually had primaries that people could vote in. It's on Biden for deciding to run again.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The parties get to decide who can run in the primaries

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I used to think a candidate had to at least be a member of a party to run in its primaries, but Bernie corrected my misunderstanding.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Bernie joined the party. He had to in order to run as a Democrat. He later became independent again.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I kept hearing conflicting stories on whether he actually joined the party or only promised to become a Democrat if he won the candidacy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fortunately it’s a matter of public record and you don’t need to listen to stories.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Oh, then you mean there is some public record somewhere that he actually joined the Democratic party when he ran in the 2016 election? Maybe a registration form? (link?) Because I don't think he did. From what I read, he didn't actually join or register as a Dem, but the party didn't try to stop him from running as a Dem, and he just verbally said he was a Democrat when asked, which I guess was good enough.

According to this article, which goes through the timeline of his party affiliation(s), it wasn't until Bernie's 2020 run that the Democratic party formally wrote up a rule that a candidate had to be a member of the party, and only then did they require him and the other candidates to sign a document officially declaring themselves as Democrats.

This article, as best as I can tell, confirms that in 2016, he didn't actually join the Democratic party, but he stated Democratic party as his affiliation on the statement of candidacy for his political campaign, and also verbally said to people who asked that he was a Democrat.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Christ, that’s a lot of words to try to twist some meaningless point out of a difference in semantics.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 week ago

So, no link to a public record then.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

They are our fucking employees.

Only in the same way your landlord or your bank is your employee. The positions have been monopolized by a handful of cartel brokers and the real job of administering is in the hands of corporate lackeys puffed up through billions of dollars in sales and marketing. Liberal democracy has been defanged by market forces.

We should have made a provision for National referendum For things like this.

There's no such thing as a "national referendum", legally speaking. We don't vote on legislation, just on bureaucrats. And the bureaucrats we get to vote on are selected first by the donors, then by the party, and only finally by the general electorate.

Nobody we elect has any incentive to cap the age or number of terms they hold office. Why would they vote against their collective best interests?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It would still be age discrimination. The way to go is term limits.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

If there can be a minimum age, there can be a maximum age.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

We can do an article V convention to amend the constitution with these limits in order to circumvent DC politics entirely. But they will tell you that it’s an incredibly dangerous thing to do, and could cost us democracy itself!…I say we go for it anyway.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Oh great, now the Democratic pols are going to step down to "set a good example" while their doddering GOP counterparts will lurch around until their 90s with, staffers following them around with portable defibrillators so if they die in hallway somewhere they can be revived before the next vote.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

If that means the Democratic Party starts to transform by bringing in younger, more left people while the Republicans stagnate, this could be good.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Best we can do is younger, neoliberal folks." - Democratic Party

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Younger folk tend to be more adaptable and likely more in tune with actual working class issues. So more of a chance than before at least.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Well... I'll be damned. You've changed my mind. Thanks.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

As long as they keep putting in replacements that's are younger, this is a good strategy. The problem would be if they lose their seats, but if it puts the GOP further out of touch with voters and pushes Democrats closer, I'm all for it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

It’s progress.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

now the Democratic pols are going to step down to “set a good example”

Republicans used to do this as a party function. The idea of seats, particularly at the lower tiers of government, being term-limited and up-or-out helped create new opportunities for younger aspiring politicians to participate in the party and aspire towards higher office.

If your only way into the next rung of office is through a miserable primary against an entrenched incumbent or patiently waiting for a 70-year-old politician to die of old age, you've got very little reason to try and climb the ladder. But if you know each seat opens up every six to twelve years, and the line of aspiring politicians is forever moving forward, then there's a reason to be a mid-level party official competing with other mid-level party officials looking for the next opening in the rooster.

Same thing happens in business with C-level executives. You have a bunch of hungry VPs all gunning for the next President/CEO job. Then you have your CEOs/Presidents retire onto the corporate boards every few years to make room for the next crop of talent. People want to join your company at the junior level because they see a path to seniority, rather than a dead-end role doing middle management bullshit for the rest of your life.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago

Yeah, I don't understand why Democrats always think they must unilaterally disarm. It's nauseating, honestly. How well did that work out for Al Franken, for example? We still have the orange pedo sitting in the WH here in a few weeks...

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Reached for comment, Nancy Pelosi said "what an idiot, these are her prime grifting years!"

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago

I'm still not entirely convinced that she's not a lich, tbh

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Time to elect a 72 year old replacement!

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 week ago

Thankfully, her replacement is 38.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

The summary of this article is misleading, and I hit a paywall before being able to read the whole article.

She announced her retirement back in March 2024, https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/03/27/annie-kuster-retiring-house/ and did not run in the 2024 election.

This specific announcement is that one of the reasons is she is retiring is to allow younger folks a chance to lead.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

I bet the private sector is more efficient at their systemic ageism. This will be interesting to see how this pans out if/when things like life extension/reversal come online.