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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)

who even decides what's "modern" anymore?

can anyone, honestly, without reading the article (or guessing from the headline), tell me which of these is the "modern" design?

screenshot of the nautilus file manager in light mode screenshot of the nautilus file manager in light mode

edit: people are getting confused by the fact that one is tree view, not icons view so i changed the image. old image here

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Apparently "modern" means hiding options behind extra clicks

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

i may be blind but what exactly was hidden behind one or more clicks?

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Clearly the dark mode is the modern one! Jokes aside, I just realized that there THREE menu options on that toolbar: hamburger, kebab, and waffle! I realize they do different things, but no wonder people are confused by and scared of computers. Also, now I'm hungry!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

TIL of kebab and waffle menus.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

as someone who's not scared of computers, i have no idea what they do. i assume the right one is icons/list/compact[^1] not a waffle menu, but the hamburger and kebab? i have no clue

[^1]: though why it's showing list when the current view is icons, i don't know either

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Since the kebab menu is inside the location/search box, I'm guessing it contains search-related options.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

It's just my opinion (since it's not in the article) but a thing that makes Gnome and Libadwaita a "modern design" is the fact that the production behind it tries to bridge the gap between a "mouse and keyboard" and a "touch screen" workflow.
None of the other DEs come even close to Gnome when used on a tablet

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

The first one doesn't waste space in the title bar by expanding the locator and navigator buttons there.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Full height sidebar - from Mac OS 7 or so - must be modern?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Petition to force anyone talking about software to use "trendy" or "fashionable" instead of "modern".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It'd be kinda nice if they made these kinds of changes options rather than just deciding this is best

Could honestly take it or leave it, doesn't really add anything

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago
  • Adding options

  • Gnome desktop

Pick one.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i'm not even sure it's worth having an option. i don't think i'd even have noticed a difference, apart from the menu button being in a slightly different place to every other gnome app. it's fine; but it wasn't worth the development time

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The last thing I want is an option for this. My gosh, imagine the amount of options you would end up with if every single design choice was turned into an option. Who in the world would like that many options.

I'm happy to just have a design team work on whatever they think looks better and works best for the user experience, and implement it after some rounds of public review and testing. This looks neat enough to me - slightly less cluttered than what my current Nautilus window looks like while maintaining the same functionality.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Who in the world would like that many options.

KDE fans?

Awww, Plasma fans, you know I'm playin'.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well I just switched to KDE Plasma last week and I'm pleasantly surprised just how many things are configurable via a menu and how well it runs on Wayland With a Nvidia GPU.

I used to despise KDE Neon, and used Gnome for a bit, but I don't think I can go back anymore until their design philosophy changes again.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago

I'm very glad GNOME does such an amazing job staying modern in its look. GNU+Linux and free software would be much worse off without it.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Great. Now do split panel!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

And column browse

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I’d love a setting to change the default file manager. I always install Nemo and configure it to be the default but last I checked, it’s not a simple GUI setting like changing the default browser or email client or whatever. And then you end up with two programs called “Files,” which obviously isn’t ideal.

Would it be that much of a problem to have what app is “Files” be a simple setting? Maybe it’s way more complicated than one assumes.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

My dream is that one day we will be able to assign default applications to the “generic” names in Gnome. Launch “Browser” and open Firefox (or chrome 🤢), Files and open Dolphin, Messages and open Elements etc etc.

Obviously I can do the same with custom .desktop files but it would be a nice flair to use the settings to just assign applications to those generic names.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I don't think I can go back to Nautilus after using Dolphin for so long, even if the search is far better.

[–] moonpiedumplings 4 points 1 year ago

The search on nautilus is probably better because a lot of gnome distros have the file indexer enabled by default, and that's what nautilus uses, but many kde distros don't come with the kde indexer, so dolphin doesn't index by default.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

So it's not just me having files that exist, but aren't found at all sometimes?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What's the advantage vs. the current version?

Also looks like it's removing an important visual affordance (i.e., which areas you can click to drag the window), unless I'm misinterpreting it

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The current version has some problems with adaptivity, e.g. resizing the app window can cause issues. This led to the creation of new libadwaita widgets. If you want to read the technical details, see https://blogs.gnome.org/alicem/2023/06/15/rethinking-adaptivity/

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Also looks like it's removing an important visual affordance (i.e., which areas you can click to drag the window), unless I'm misinterpreting it

The top bar has been full of buttons with no whitespace for a year or more now, that's not new (you can still drag the window using the whole bar, but it's definitely not intuitive and made me subconsciously do Win+drag to be safe many times).

This seems to be a relatively minor visual update to have the left sidebar fill the whole window - ~~maybe they want more space for shortcuts at a given window height?~~ No clue.

Edit: never mind, checked again and it's literally just a tiny visual update with no change to the actual content of the sidebar, but it takes some space away from the top bar.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

i welcome merging two triple-dot menus into one, according to screenshots.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Win+drag

Thank you internet person, you have changed my life forever.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I don't like Nautilus and always srick with Nemo but the new look of many Gnome apps is really nice!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Been a Gnome user for years and always glad to see them modernize the UI more, but the one thing I desperately want is .stl and/or .3mf thumbnailers to just work with Nautilus. Tried several times to set up in Fedora using f3d, but instead just get blurry question mark thumbnails

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Please also remove the text places and make use of that space

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Looks nice, but if I could trade these visual gimmicks for a type-ahead feature, I would do so in a heartbeat.

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