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[–] [email protected] 10 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (40 children)

So... We manage to master space travel. We manage to master interstellar travel. We eventually find a planet with suitable environment for sustaining our species. And we just overlook it.

Can someone explain me the reasoning behind this?

Sci-fi to the side, there are more minerals available - readily - on asteroids and barren planets than anywhere else. Why go hopping around looking for habitable planets, to the reason of 1 out of who knows how many, to then strip mine it?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 22 hours ago

Literally Satisfactory

[–] MajorHavoc 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Holy shit! Avatar is about capitalism? How did I miss that?! I better rewatch it and see if it's a recurring theme.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago

I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.

- Jack Handey

[–] [email protected] 5 points 23 hours ago (15 children)

What do you mean? Communists didn't mine minerals and didn't exploit indigenous people? Lol..

[–] [email protected] 8 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

I dont get it either. This is not about capitalism, this is about human nature of mindless expansion and exploitation...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago

"It's human nature," okay bud and what about all the groups in history that prove otherwise? You're just washing history with capitalist mindsets.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 14 hours ago

The word you're looking for is imperialism, and that's definitely not unavoidable human nature

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm torn, because there's an idea that industrial capital only knows how to consume and destroy what it touches. And there's ample evidence to that effect.

But there's this other more naive notion that life never changes, species don't compete for habitat, and doing anything to alter the local ecology is this unforgivable sin. This, despite the fact that everything in the area is itself a product of eons of speciation and evolution and carnivorization.

The impulse to preserve has to be balanced with the expectation for change. The goal should be symbiosis, not stasis.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

The issue is that you're changing the ecosystems and environments so much that all those eons of evolution are simply lost. The only other times this happens is during natural catastrophes. Sure, in the long run this allows new life forms to take the old ones places, but it's still a massive loss of diversity and evolutionary knowledge - and unnecessary suffering for millions of living beings.

When species compete for a habitat, they rarely destroy it - and those species that do either don't survive for long, or they wipe out large swaths. We're actively killing almost anything in our habitats, and destroying them for almost all previous species.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Does this imply communism wouldn't extract resources?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

That's what I was wondering. Capitalists didn't invent exploitation of nature, it just so happened that its worldwide adoption coincided with unprecedented technological advances. There's quite a few examples of historical societies that exploited nature as much as they could and suffered for it.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 14 hours ago

Difference being the colonists of our world left perfectly habitable areas. In avatar the earth isn't habitable to most and so the colonists are actually kind of sympathetic. The real bad guys never have to leave earth but because it's Cameron it falls on the poors to play the bad guys

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

Don’t forget about the part from the intro (might have been cut from the theatrical release):

They can fix a spine, if you have the money. But not from a VA check. Add $5 and you get yourself a cup of coffee.

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