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What’s something that you feel like you should like,, but for some reason can’t get into, no matter how many chances you give it?

For me, it’s The Three Body Problem. It should be right up my alley from everything I’ve heard about it (especially the second book, which looks at the Fermi Paradox and the Great Filter!), but for the life of me, I can’t get past the first chapter at all. I even tried reading it in another language to see if it was the translation that kept me from getting into it, and nope.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

(Ignore this comment; sometimes you have to add one when posting from kbin to make the post properly federate.)

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

I read it.

I'll do it again. You can't stop me.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Not reading it

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

What comment?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Star Wars.

It’s got everything I enjoy: big ass spaceships brawling it out and a long history of lore. But for some reason, I’ve never been able get into it. I should be a huge fan, but I’m just not, I cannot bring myself to care less about it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Same. It did nothing for me until I watched The Force Awakens. I actually really got into that and started to think this was what people who liked SW felt.

Then I watched the Last Jedi and the feeling was gone.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

…it is so wild to me that I’m getting downvoted for saying I liked something. This is another reason I ran screaming from Star Wars fandom. Y’all are wild.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Star wars fans hate TFA for reasons that elude me.

I'm with you, TFA was cool. I wanted to know more about the knights of Ren. Kylo was interesting, here is a villain who is struggling with using the dark side, but is trying to commit to it. That's something we don't see ever. Finn was a neat character, and another new perspective.

I think the Rey hatred is actually misogyny. People don't lose their minds that Luke is best fighter pilot in the rebellion, but Rey uses the force in the "wrong" way and she's an unredeemable Mary Sue. I'm not one to cry discrimination, but the amount of venom targeted at the character implies something deeper.

I too gave up after TLJ, it seemed designed to make me stop caring about star wars.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They set up so much in TFA that was just dropped in TLJ, like how they set Finn up to be someone who could use the Force. He quickly got relegated to side character, and there was just so much potential with him that they just abandoned.

And I completely agree that a lot of the Rey hate was misogyny, like how so much of the Rose hate was misogyny and racism. It was honestly just depressing to see happening.

I will give TLJ credit; that scene where the general rammed her ship into the enemy was breathtaking. The hairs on my arms stood up at it, and to this day, it’s still the image that sticks with me from the movie.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Rick & Morty.

Watched the first season but I just can't get past how awful Rick is. All the constant burping and how much of an asshole he his really puts me off the whole thing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Ayup. Can't stand that show, and its (vocal) fan base makes it worse. Far worse.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Foundation stopped me from finishing for 20 years until I could get it on audiobook, and even then it was a slog. All the politics in that book are simply not what I'm after when it comes to sci-fi, even if I can acknowledge that it's a fantastic piece of work.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I read Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson earlier this year. It took me around 5 months because I was determined to finish it but HATED reading it. There's some good world building and ideas going on, but it was just a slog. I'm normally a kind of slow reader, but it doesn't take me half a year to finish a book.

And so the direct answer to the question would be: Neal Stephenson. Just doesn't seem to be for me.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Wheel of time…maybe fantasy but still.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

As someone who’s read the entire Wheel of Time series multiple times, I get it. I love it, but I get it.

Mat and Rand would probably be able to explain it better though if they were on here

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Im sorry but Star Wars. Some stuff is freaking cool, like the whole smuggler side, but it's something about mixing magic and scifi that rubs me the wrong way. Also, lightsabers are so.. toylike.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dune. And outside the realm of SF... wheel of time and game of thrones.

Mostly it's just the pacing and the epic nature. Bugs the crap out of me.

Levianthan Wakes was a slog. mostly because of all the preachiness about how starships were supposed to work.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Star Trek - I'm 40 and never gave it a proper chance and now I don't even know where to start now

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Omg. Star Trek and binging it when I was like six or seven when I visited my uncle as a kid. He had the then-entire collection on VHS and I found them and started watching.

Then, he found me watching trouble with tribbles and was like “ooh this is my favorite episode! Rewind it, I’ll go make popcorn.”

Yes. We binged the rest of everything else. Everyone else was either doing adult stuff (BORING.) or at my brothers soccer tournament (even more boring) all weekend.

Yes, this started my sci fi addiction. He also kicked off the fantasy addiction with the admittedly pulpy Belgariad.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’m biased, so I say start with Next Gen. That’s what got me into it. I later went back and watched TOS. The other good starting point is Deep Space Nine.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sisko is the best captain. He wasn’t even a captain to start. But he’s the best.

Q: [provokes sisko]
S: [knocks Q out]
Q: “you hit me! Picard would never have hit me!”
S: “I’m. not. Picard.”

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I let me officers commit acts of terrorism once in a while, as a treat!

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I started watching star trek in my late thirties. Tried TOS, couldn't tolerate more than one episode. Then started TNG and fell in love half way through first season. Now I am on Voyager. According to me, it's a good replacement for me for TNG. Not sure what I will watch once I finish this.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My vote is DS9! It connects a lot with TNG, even having some characters move over to it after TNG ended.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm a very casual Star Trek enjoyer, and reckon the 2009 film wouldn't be the worst place to start.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The opening scene of that movie is some of the best Trek ever made. I say that as someone who’s been watching since 1987

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The beginning of 3BP is very, very dry and slow. There's a lot of exposition, and a massive amount of footnotes (which I personally found very helpful as like many westerners, I have extremely limited knowledge of Chinese history).

I highly recommend persevering and soldiering on, there's a reason why it's very highly rated. One of my favourite series and totally made me do a 180 on my opinion of SETI.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I am on my second year trying to get through the three body problem. It has drained me, but I refuse to give up.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m hoping the Netflix series will be good, despite the delay due to, um, a murder.

I also heard that there’s a Chinese series of it that’s already been released, and that it’s really good.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I read the first book for a book club so I just crunched it, but I'm listening to the audio book of the second and it's annoying the hell out of me.

The characters are horrible, the story is so so. Some of the ideas are interesting, but the books have been a slog.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I know this thread is about science fiction, but dark fantasy is kinda like sci-fi if you squint really hard. And close your eyes.

Anyway, I really wanna be into the Soulsborne game franchise (Dark Souls, Bloodborne, Elden Ring, etc.) but every time I try playing one, it simply doesn't spark my interest like I feel like it should, as I love fantasy and darkly themed stories. So now I wanna read the Berserk series, which is widely regarded as the greatest manga of all time. But then I hear the Soulsborne franchise is directly inspired by Berserk, so now I'm worried that it won't spark my interest once I start reading it. I really wanna like these franchises, both are regarded as some of the greatest of their medium and I'd love to enjoy them as much as other people do.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be fair, the Soulsbourne games seem to mostly appeal to the “get gud” type of masochist gamer. You have to like pain to really get into them, it seems like. I haven’t been able to personally because I want my games to be fun, not insisting you memorize attack patterns and are OK getting curbstomped until you do.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is the contradiction for my taste. I like the dark themes and some of the aesthetics, but not the masochistic game play. I play as much for the narrative or even moreso than the gameplay, so games that make the player get better rather than the character get better are just frustrating because they're punishing me for not spending more time on the least interesting aspect.

Spending 20 more attempts before I defeat a boss doesn't give me a greater sense of accomplishment, but rather a greater sense of wasted time when I could have been enjoying interesting details of the narrative or the aesthetics.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I never got into Battlestar Galactica when it was airing, I don't remember why. Perhaps young me thought it was a Star Wars knock-off or something?

Anyway, after reading some discussions on Lemmy, I started watching it yesterday (began with the miniseries) and it's very promising!

I never got into StarGate either. I liked the movie, but was annoyed that in the show Kurt Russel was recast by MacGyver. StarGate is now the next on my watchlist.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I can promise you that you definitely won't regret watching Stargate! Definitely one of those series that I wish I could experience for the first time again.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

There are multiple Stargate shows, each with its own target market. So if you don’t like SG-1, give Atlantis and SGU a try. Atlantis is fun fluff, and SGU is darker sci fi. None of them rely on you watching any of the others — they are fairly self contained stories.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

The Expanse did it for me. I couldn't read the books. I couldn't watch the show past two episodes.

The oft-praised Honor Harrington books also fall into this camp. It seems I'm completely allergic to David Weber's writing, because I can't read any of his other series either.

Anything billed as "Young Adult". I just find them off-putting in their formulaic structures and find the way they talk down to their readers a bit insulting. I read a lot of adult books as a child (pre-teen, not even "young adult"), though, so perhaps I'm not the target market.

edited to add

Neal Stephenson. I hate hate hate his writing. I think if he wrote essays I might find them readable, but his fiction is atrociously bad. (It doesn't help that he spouts gibberish on topics he knows little to nothing about—e.g. Chinese culture—with dogmatic authority.)


P.S. I can understand completely why you didn't like The Three Body Problem. It is, especially at the beginning, very Chinese and incorporates outlooks and ideas that are utterly alien to the western mindset.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've read a few different people sound off on Neal Stephenson in this thread, complaining specifically about how he goes on and on. I friggin LOVE reading him, and it's because of how he plays with language. His sentences are so wild, and so fun for me to read. They're not driving the plot--they're just cool thoughts written in interesting ways that reliably catch me off guard. Maybe it's because English isn't my first language, but for whatever reason I just love reading the ridiculous ways he has of saying sometimes very mundane things.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I don't mind people going on and on and on. (I mean I loved Mervyn Peake!) What I hate about Stephenson is how he:

  1. Can't write people. At all. His "characters" are "concepts with a name attached". Ugh.
  2. He often goes on and on and on about stuff he's absolutely wrong about at a fundamental level. (Like his bizarre take on Chinese culture in that one with the nanotech; I've forgotten the title. The Diamond Age?)

One or the other above I can cope with. Both together made me cringe every time I set eye on a page.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The Culture series by Iain M. Banks.

Not sure what it was. Maybe expectations were too high. Tried the first two books and they were fine, just didn't really trigger anything in me that made me want to keep going.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Red Rising. I tried to like it. Couldn't get through more than 20%. Seemed very YA and characters seemed very flat.

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