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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Meanwhile, my boss refused to give me a raise because "we don't take inflation into account" and "your coworker was using his phone, and therefore you might be".

Frankly, if they get a payrise for doing fuck-all, I should be getting at least equivalent for busting my arse and producing some of the best results for the company in a decade.

Also, fuck the fact that we don't have legislated consistent payrises. If we legislated wages being directly tied to inflation, life would be much easier.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hope you're in an industry where you can jump ship after that conversation

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

If only. Tutoring and sham contractor at that, so God knows how much of my experience will be treated as valid

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Quiet quit.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It sounds like you’re being taken advantage of and need to leave your job.

If you think you’re worth more money, prove it, quit your job and find another one. Otherwise you’re just making excuses or aren’t as good at your job as you think.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Because its so simple to up sticks and find another job. You sound like a free-market neo-liberal. That is a bad thing, because in this comment you've demonstrated a thoughtlessness to the myriad obstacles that can be in an individuals way to seamlessly transition into other employment, like the comment suggests they can/should.

Please don't get me wrong, in some instances what your advocating would be the best decision. But you and I have no idea of the context of the pay dispute OG is talking about, so a less 'accusatory' tone is probably a wiser stance to take.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Meh.

Maybe im just getting old but I dont really give a shit if they get a 4% pay rise. Its under CPI and our pollies dont earn obscene amounts of money compared to the middle/top end of the private sector.

It sucks people here saying they will only get 1-2%, but thats the reason we have unions. If you think you are worth more, fight for it. If you dont get it, find another job that agrees with your self evaluation.

Im not saying that in a trolly way, I mean it. People arent going to jump out and just give you more money, you need to fight for it and that might mean jumping ship.

[–] foo 3 points 1 year ago

It's better than the deal they offered APS staff

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They earn almost 4x the median Australian. That’s obscene.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The median personal income is less than $50K when you take into account unemployed and retired and other income streams, so it’s closer to 10X of the median Australian.

I suspect you are talking about the median Jobs in Australia rather than Personal Income in Australia.

Honestly I’d rather see politician remuneration indexed to minimum wage. I suspect tying the wealth of the decision makers to the minimum wage might actually make a difference to the average Australian.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/labour/earnings-and-working-conditions

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

won't they just be more reliant on lobbying gifts to compensate?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Where does that point stop though? If people are in it to make money they'll take every opportunity to make more and this has been proven time and time and again.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Maybe if a base pay of $200K isn’t enough for them they’d just leave politics altogether and make room for people who want to help their local community?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From what I can tell, MPs earn about $200,000. 200/50=4?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Fair point, I was talking about the PM’s pay. The idea that a federal politician’s value (pay is literally the way to compare your perceived value to society) is even over 4 times more than half of your countrymen is an interesting thought to reckon with.

Based on the determination, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese's salary will increase from $564,356 to $586,930, and Opposition Leader Peter Dutton's salary will increase from $401,561 to $417,623.

MPs will have a base pay of $225,742, up from $217,060 — though they can receive additional pay depending on whether they hold a ministry or shadow ministry, chair a committee, or act as speakers or party whips.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

So what's not obscene then? 1x?

[–] foo 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Median income includes part time, casual, and unsure work

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And they are a part of our country and should be counted.

Things sure do look rosier if we ignore the shit aspects.

[–] foo 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But it's not like for like. Misusing statistics like you are doing doesn't help the conversation it just makes you look ignorant.

When you include someone who works 10 hours a week against a minister who is responsible for a department that manages thousands of people it just makes you look small minded and, quite frankly, not knowledgeable enough to join the conversation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

When you realise that some people work 10 hours a week because it’s all they can, it makes you look out of touch.

Underemployment is a huge issue.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Whoa bud, there’s a heap of nuance here and accusing someone of misusing stats rather than presenting under a different context doesn’t help anyone.

If we only count full time workers we are ignoring under employed, volunteers, people whose circumstances prevent them from working full time. All these people can provide a benefit to society, whether it’s raising family, caring for elderly, volunteering at their local sports club or men’s shed, etc.. Your position seems to be saying their value to society is zero. I would put it to you that you that your way of representing the stats doesn’t reflect the nation as a whole.

Another question to ask when counting the rate of income increase is also where the poverty line comes into it. If you say poverty line is $30K (I haven’t looked this up) then $50K income is only $20 on making your life better, and $230K is still $200k, so we are back to 10x on income to improve your life.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The independent Remuneration Tribunal published that it was awarding a 4 per cent pay increase across the board, even though wage data shows the average salary has risen by slightly less, because it had been more conservative in its previous rulings.

"The Tribunal is aware the remuneration increases it has awarded to offices in its jurisdiction over the past decade have been conservative," it said in its determination.

"The tribunal’s primary focus is to provide competitive and equitable remuneration that is appropriate to the responsibilities and experience required of the roles, and that is sufficient to attract and retain people of calibre."

The latest ruling is the largest pay rise for MPs in more than a decade, and separates federal parliamentarians from some of their state colleagues.

In NSW, legislation was introduced to freeze politician pay for two years from July, which then-newly installed Premier Chris Minns described as a "budget-saving measure".

The tribunal says it is obliged to consider annual wage reviews by the Fair Work Commission as well as movements in public and private salaries in its deliberations.


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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you know, I really fucking hate how they bait us with photos of the politicians looking manically delighted, I'm positive those expressions weren't in response to a pay rise but implying they were makes them look like absolute ghouls. poor reporting.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Every photo is chosen for a reason.