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Only ever had experiences with Reddit, Lemmy and very little bit of Discourse.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've been wondering about different forum softwares recently as well.

The Lemmy software seems like it might not be developed enough for the size of the userbase. This feels to be the case even more so after the attacks on Lemmy.world which would've been less of a problem with better moderation tools.

I've heard people throwing around the idea of forking Lemmy, but I'm not sure how likely that is.

I haven't used a non-link-aggregator forum in a long time, so I might be biased; but I don't personally like the style of them. I prefer the information density of Lemmy/ Reddit/ Tildes style link-aggregator forums. The ability to have multiple independent comment threads for each link definitely helps encourage discussions (in my opinion).

My personal preference would be for Lemmy to develop stronger mod tools, but who knows how likely that would be?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I haven’t used a non-link-aggregator forum in a long time, so I might be biased; but I don’t personally like the style of them. I prefer the information density of Lemmy/ Reddit/ Tildes style link-aggregator forums. The ability to have multiple independent comment threads for each link definitely helps encourage discussions (in my opinion).

I mean those UI bits could be tweaked, for example - I saw this which I thought was neat https://meta.discourse.org/t/topic-list-previews/101646

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I couldn't find a good example of nested comments on the linked modification, but I agree that it is likely not unique to Lemmy/ Reddit/ Tildes.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Ahhh, yeah ok, I misunderstood.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Lemmy/Reddit also allow "self posts" with no links, so technically they're two-in-one.

One could create a community and treat it as a personal "blog", write posts in there, and have the comment section be the comment section for the post.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm sure it's just nostalgia but I used vBulletin forums for so long, that's what feels like home.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

For me it's phpBB. It's even actively developed to this day and Open Source.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

vBulletin was a great platform for the old Straight Dope Message Boards.

I miss that place.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yabb for me.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Back in the "good ol' days", I've used several awesome forum software such as phpBB, vBulletin, Invision Power Board, Simple Machines Forum etc. I personally liked Invision the most, it seemed super polished and had a good set of features. phpBB was also nice but lacked features, and vBulletin felt a bit clunky to me.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Oh right, I forgot. I also used Tildes but the UI feels a bit daunting and unwelcoming.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've spent ages on phpBB and I do kind of miss out to be honest.

It might just be nostalgia talking though because I can't really say exactly what I'm missing about it.

Might just be the old communities that used it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I miss a lot the forum age of the 2000s. I spent a lot of time designing image signatures for different forums I was on.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Really wouldn't call Reddit or Lemmy forums.

Personally I like Invision and XenForo.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

What would you call Reddit or Lemmy?

I've heard the name "forum with threads", but really they're more of a take on the "mail list with threads". Is there another better name?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm a dinosaur so I fondly remember slashdot and the old "scoop" sites. I like information density too.

I think kbin is written in php which is interesting. I like the "feel" of it the best. But I get the impression it has even fewer mod tools than lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

started up a discourse forum recently and it's definitely better than my historic experiences with running phpbb

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What do you feel are the pros and cons of discourse? Any experience with moderating it so far?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It's better than phpbb for sure. Much easier to manage updates since it uses docker.

It's honestly pretty hard to set up though, they don't have great docs on it imo, but once it's running it seems pretty good.

I like how customizable it is - you can change a lot of functions, and while I haven't done much modding yet, it is nice that it has proper modding support- i added a dice roller and was able to modify it pretty easily.

I think my main complaint is that there's some assumptions about use - for instance, you can only have a single draft at a time (there's a workaround- dm yourself your drafts) and there isn't great multi-account support, which makes it hard if you're doing character-based writing or just want to have different posting profiles - ive been trying for a while to find something like pluralkit for it but it just doesn't exist i think.

Overall, pretty decent. I thought to myself, I could actually see myself replacing discord with this, outside of voice chat

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I doubt anyone knows about it, but I really like the design of WoltLab Burning Board 3.

I feel like the visual layouts of forums (like the one I mentioned) lend themselves to better social interaction between users and let them get to know each other more easily. On here, I often see posts from the same people across communities, but it only becomes apparent to me after some time because the design is very minimalist (there's really just a name over the comment), whereas in forums everyone creates their own profile picture and text and a signature; that makes everything more personal, I think. I can appreciate both though.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I used Voat back in the day, from the beginning, when it was still called Whoaverse; to right around when it became a Nazi-filled shithole. But that doesn't really count too much since for a good portion of that time, it ran on a modified version of the old open-source reddit code. Whatever it moved to in the short time before the new ""community"" ruined was pretty decent; lemmy-ui reminds me of it a lot actually.

I used to be big into Imzy too, before it shutdown. Its software was somewhat like new Reddit, but like, actually performant and not a bug-riddled mess. I still miss it, but the lemmyverse, especially Beehaw, is filling that hole.

I've also used the old guard of forum software, I don't know what ran what because I didn't really pay attention to that kind of stuff as a kid.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

i still use mybb to run a writing forum that’s been ongoing for 10+ years. :)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The ones I've used enough to have an opinion on are Kbin Social (current one) and Lemmy World. Out of the two, I liked Kbin the most for being the most minimalist. Even if Kbin is the most unstable/beta forum of the two, I still prefer it over all the visual noise of Lemmy World.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I feel you, I like Kbin the most as well in terms of visuals and potential for integration. It's neat that you can browse what I think is Mastodon style posts, both Kbin and Lemmy/Beehaw have the capability. I think Kbin's is a little better right now though, as it looks like it has nested threads so there's context?

I'll try and show an example:

Here is Beehaws Technology community with the Comments tab selected - I'm not sure if this is all comments or "microblog" as it's called in Kbin. Permalink to c/technology

Here is Kbin's Tech magazine with the Microblog tab selected: Permalink to /m/tech/microblog

Again, if Beehaw's comments is just all comments then disregard, but either way I think it's pretty cool that if I have a Mastodon user I'm aware of, I can talk to them from a specific magazine. It's not perfect right now but it's pretty neat.

Ultimately though I use both for different reasons, the community here on Beehaw is much better but I get more variety from Kbin. Realistically I'm just using one and then the other lol

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure what you mean by software, but I definitely got into the forum style with GameFaqs.

My go-to's were pretty much the Monster Hunter Tri discussion board and Kongregate's room chats (I stayed in The Warehouse).

Glad that they're still around to an extent today, in forms like Beehaw/Kbin/what Reddit was in some communities for a while.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If we're talking about reddit-likes/alternatives, I've tried Imzy (gone sadly), Voat (briefly, and gone thank goodness), and Tildes. Tildes I'm still on.

I lurk Hacker News and Ars Technica's forums. I did sign up for a forum earlier in the year called ResetEra, which is focused on gaming. Still mostly lurk it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I have been online since the early '90s, and used to be extremely active on many different forums. I even ran a fairly large forum on my own website, using Simple Machines Forums- which, to my surprise, still exists- from 2005-2008 or so.

I can't say I have a favourite- I really liked SMF back in the day but I have no idea what it looks like now. I really can say that I really miss the pre-Facebook Internet when there were loads of extremely active forums in every imaginable topic, and people found them and used them instead of just creating a Facebook group and pretending that everyone will just use that by default (I refuse to use Facebook for anything).

I don't think of Reddit and Lemmy as forums, really, not in the old-school sense. Reddit was a poor substitute, as for many years more weight was put on links than on self-posts, and in the old-school forums I'm thinking of, things like upvotes and "likes" didn't become a thing until they were used on Reddit and Facebook, and I honestly don't think having those features makes the Internet better.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Simple Machines Forum is pretty solid for a traditional style forum.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I ran my own phpBB for myself and friends in high school. It wasn't used much, but I mostly did it to just learn PHP which was growing in popularity at the time over HTML.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I prefer using gemini://bbs.geminispace.org/u/Remy/4754 a lot.

Another ine worth checking out is https://tildes.net/

The most attractive one I’ve ever seen is https://www.amigalove.com/