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This is a genuine question.

I have a hard time with this. My righteous side wants him to face an appropriate sentence, but my pessimistic side thinks this might have set a great example for CEOs to always maintain a level of humanity or face unforseen consequences.

P.S. this topic is highly controversial and I want actual opinions so let's be civil.

And if you're a mod, delete this if the post is inappropriate or if it gets too heated.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Yes.

Even in a unjust world mob justice isn't justice. This means a mob deciding someone is guilty and acting out punishment is unjust. But also a mob deciding a crime should go unpunished is unjust.

There's plenty wrong with how insurance works and plenty wrong with the justice system. But instead of giving up, we should be trying to fix these issues. It's all to easy to give in to our basic instincts and point to someone to blame. We punish them instead of fixing the issues. Killing one ceo might feel good, but it doesn't really change the big picture and in fact constitutes layer upon layer of failure. We should be better than that. History is full of people (singular and groups) being used as a scape goat to deflect and feel like something is being done, whilst in fact not actually fixing anything and just feeding hate.

Also in a capitalist world, the people with the most money have the most power. If we collectively decide it's open warfare, purge style distopia, they are going to have the upper hand. So purely from a self interest point of view, it would be better to work on fixing shit instead of reverting to monke.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

If they prosecute healthcare CEO's first then yeah i'd be ok with it

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

I think if they catch him they sort of have to. It's up to the police to drag their heels investigating if they want to avoid that.

It will be interesting to see if jury nullification comes into play if he gets caught and there is a trial. Would at least 1/12 jurors refuse to convict despite the law? The main facebook post about the CEO's death has a 26-1 ratio of laughing emoji to crying emoji...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Hell no. I hope they never find them. Just let it stand. The one who got away.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

I feel like American justice was predicated upon letting one get away sometimes over getting innocent men thrown in jail and that we all forgot that over the last several decades.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

What murderer? He fell on lead because he was high on prescription drugs.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

For the social agreement society has, it's irrelevant if you think this person is a hero or a villain, they need to be tried by a jury of their peers in a court of law.

If they are not, then the social agreement that we don't go around murdering people, no matter the intent changes and life becomes very difficult.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

This is the correct answer. This was my position on Snowden and Assange as well.

One of the things that made King such a powerful foil to the status quo was his willingness to submit to the legal system. It put it in everyone's faces, what was going on in America.

This guy should turn himself in very publicly and go to trial so he can be acquitted by a jury.

(I believe he should be tried but he definitely shouldn't be convicted or punished.)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Insurance companies have broken the social agreement and have gone around murdering people.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So the answer seems to be, to take up arms and go murder people our own personal ethics deem should be shot?

What if that's you? What if someone didn't agree with your actions and what they had read online, walked up and shot you dead, is that ok?

I don't know your politics (and don't really care) what if that guy had not missed, and shot Trump? That ok because trump is a cheat, a felon and will destroy a country to many people, he has d stroked lives, murdered people (via the US Military as commander and chief). There are a lot of people who think that guy should not be sent to prison.

I'm not disagreeing, the guy who was CEO of a company murdering people.. 100% agree..

The actions however warrant good discussion on where is the line?

However there has to be some sort of line which is social not personal or we may as just as well start the purge..

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

You failed miserably here with the phrase "our own personal ethics". That is the classic MAGA tactic of strawmanning the debate by forcing something on us we did not say. It was THE SOCIAL CONTRACT. That isnt one person's own ethics; it's EVERYONE'S.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

That social agreement had been broken long ago by the elites like the one recently targeted. It's funny that only now when someone finally responds in kind that it is suddenly so important.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That social agreement is broken because of us, we successively vote corruption into power on both sides and wonder why the system never changes..

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The politicians are not the elites in charge. No one gets to vote on the oligarchs killing and plundering the rest of us. There is no agreement that can be had with them so there is nothing to break. The only thing left to do is remove them and water the tree of liberty.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'll end this here as I can see your not wanting to discuss. Only reply..

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm not sure what you think a discussion is if I'm not allowed to reply.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ok, try answering the question, am I ok to shoot Trump based on the criteria given?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

Jury nullification would be nice.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

yes, of course. and found not guilty, to send a message.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

My ~~righteous~~ brainwashed side wants him ~~to face an appropriate sentence~~ put in a cage

FTFY.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Lol Lmao Fuck no. Every day he's not found is another day that the United States is in a better position

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes. An unsanctioned killing is murder, no matter what.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sanctioned killings are murders too, no matter how much it is rationalised away.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sanctioned killings are authorized by a government representative, which indemnifies the killer. Murder is by definition unsanctioned, hence those are not the same.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

Can't hear you with those boots in your mouth

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Prosecuted? Yes. Convicted? No.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Actions have consequences. It's important we have precedents that the world is just

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