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One of my new friends is/was a cop. Just found out about it. I genuinely believe ACAB, and this news has me conflicted because my new friend seems really cool and super nice. I don't know him super well yet, though. He's a big part of this new friend group and I don't know how to process this and how to deal with the fact he's a cop.

I don't want to look past the fact he's a cop, but I want to stay his friend and stay in this friend group.

Any advice for dealing with this shit?

I can't talk to my therapist about it until Thursday.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Seems like maybe reality is at odds with a generalization. Maybe every cop is not a bastard, every landlord is not an oppressive monster, and every person who makes more money than you is not a net drain on society.

Maybe you have just discovered something rare and elusive: nuance.

This post reads like a lefty caricature by someone hard right, esp the last sentence.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Cops are not necessary evil, but the system tends to corrupt people and turn them to bad cops, just as with any position of power.

Landlords... well it depends. Someone who saved up a bit of money and invest in a few properties for retirement fund, they aren't evil, just trying to survive.

Someone already rich and just want to buy up entire apartment buildings? Yea that seems a bit like excessive property hoarding, don't sympathize with those.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Thanks for some sanity here. Some of these comments are really bizarre.

Look, I get that the system is shitty and corrupt. I don't condone that and I agree it needs to change. But that doesn't mean that every single individual is a terrible person. Some people are too chronically online to understand that life is not black and white.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago

Develop a more complex and articulated theory of the problems with American policing than “ACAB”. That’s a four word model of reality.

Shit’s complex.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I believe ACAB, and my cousin is actively trying to become a state trooper.

Doesn't mean I walk up and spit in his face at every family gathering. We talk, we grew up together, we shoot the shit and have a good time.

But if he asked me to condone or celebrate his job? Nah, he knows how I feel about the police and their profession, as long as he's safe and not drinking the Kool aid (he will) that's all I can hope. And that maybe he'll open his eyes someday. 🤷‍♀️

As a hard rule, though, I won't date cops or mess around with them. One reached out on a dating app recently and I just politely responded with "I'm not interested in law enforcement, sorry" to which I got "Uh, I'm actually a correctional officer."

Cool, so you abuse people after the police have finished abusing them, that's not the brag you think it is.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

This is the best mentality

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I genuinely believe ACAB, and this news has me conflicted because my new friend seems really cool and super nice.

What you’re experiencing is cognitive dissonance. New information is clashing with your prior beliefs, leaving you with a choice: either update your beliefs or double down and lie to yourself even harder.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The thing is: which belief is the lie? Can cops not be bastards? Or is this guy not as nice as he appears to be?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (6 children)

That all cops are bastards.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How can you be so sure that's the lie? Is that not just your own prior belief? Why do others need to evaluate their beliefs, but yours should only be doubled down on? Is that not cognitive dissonance?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

There are tens of millions of cops around the world. The idea that not a single one of them is a good person is so statistically improbable that I’d bet my life on it being false.

Can you name another broad generalization that applies to every single member of that group without exception?

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

First of all, I find your phrasing that he "is/was" a cop kind of interesting. Is he a cop or is he not? If he was but is no longer a cop, it could very well be that he left that career because he shares some of your same thoughts and feelings and you're getting yourself worked up over nothing.

Anyway

To me, ACAB means that all cops are bastards collectively

It does not mean that each individual cop is a bastard.

There are undoubtedly some cops that are good people, doing their damnedest to do the right thing, standing up for the little guy against the bastards, who are trying to make the system better from the inside, who understand the role that policing should be, etc.

And there are of course some who are bastards, who abuse their power and do all of the things that make policing shitty.

And there are cops who aren't actively bastards themselves, but also aren't doing anything to make waves and stand up against the bastards.

It's a case of a few rotten apples spoiling the bunch. The apple barrel has a couple absolutely amazing apples in there that are everything you could ever want from an apple, a whole bunch of meh run-of-the-mill grocery store apples, that do the job of being an apple well enough, but aren't going to make you stand up and say "holy shit, that's a good fucking apple," and then there's a handful of rotten apples that will make you puke your guts up, and unfortunately you don't get to pick and choose which apple you're eating, you just have to reach in blind and take a bite, and since those rotten apples are in there, it's a pretty big gamble to make, you have to really need that apple for it to be worth it.

However, entering into a friendship is different than other interactions you'd have with the police. You get a chance to inspect the apple before you eat it, to see if it's good, ok, or rotten to the core.

I'd say don't dismiss him outright because he's a cop, but try to feel him out, see what his attitude and philosophy is like, don't grill him on it, but take note of how he reacts when different subjects are brought up, and if you find something problematic with what he says, try to explain how your views are different in a non-confrontational way, don't make it a fight or an argument or a debate, just try to explain your thoughts and feelings and try to understand why he thinks the way he does as well. With the right people around him, it's possible that you could help make him or keep him a good cop when otherwise he might go bad, it's up to you if you want to take on that task.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

ACAB is about defaulting to thinking of them as bad guys and enemies until proven otherwise. This new friend of yours has proven otherwise, why you so hung up on it. The world isn't black and white, there's all kinds of shades in between and it's not even a linear scale. Have some nuance in your morals and ethics.

[–] arality 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I don't know if this will help or not. I came across this video a while ago. It's a former cop describing what they deal with. I'm ACAB too, but they are still people being exploited just like us. The system is what we should be directing our anger towards. https://youtu.be/_nl5zMIwcmQ?si=mbAwDWi6vjGx3Njz

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

They can quit if don't like what they're dealing with.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

It sounds like you are the kind of person that can't comprehend empathy and stepping into other persons shoes. If something doesn't happen to you you're sticking to pre canned ideas you heard repeated often enough.

What did you expect, that a cop would show up to a friendly meeting and bully everyone there? That's not what makes ACAB. it's the fact that s significant portion of them beat wifes, or use deadly force, or are unfair to minorities.

You're already going into the mode " he treats me ok so he must be nice to everybody". Ask him if he'd turn a blind eye if a homeless person steals food from a big supermarket, and you'll have a chance of glimpsing how he deals with problems and people on a non friendly, stressful, low stakes environment.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

i use to work with the police, and many i considered my friends. i know they were good people, but i also knew those on the force that were not.

part of the acab movement is about how the general public can never know which is which, so it is in our best interest to assume we are always facing the worst of the worst. your intimate knowledge of the person can be held separately from the movement.

i do understand that those good cops allowing those bad cops is a huge issue but thats really on them, not you. officers who attempt to 'fix' this issue arent officers for very long.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

officers who attempt to 'fix' this issue arent officers for very long.

I think this is the crux of it. ACAB because any cop with morals and integrity doesn't keep their job. Those who are left are either monsters or enablers.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Perhaps you should get to know your friend better, instead of stereotyping him. You can either learn a little about the nuances of a law enforcement career from him, or shun him and put your head back in the sand

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Idk add some nuance into your life maybe

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

I'm not sure about being associated with a current cop.

If he was a cop, I would be curious to know why he isn't any more. If it's because he genuinely wanted to do good, but he left because he couldn't change the system, this would earn a lot of respect in my eyes.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

The comments that say give them a chance? Not me.

This is just personal experience.

My college friend and I, both big into paintball, went our separate ways. Met up with him a few years ago, and he apparently joined the police for and was a serious boot licker. Extremely twitchy, constantly talking about danger. He then, as a plainclothes civilian with a badge, went up to harass some teens who weren't doing anything. Maybe he wanted to look tough? Either way, an absolute asshole.

My other friend decided to give a chance to a guy on tinder who was a cop. The guy was pretty cool when I hung out with him. He even played Yu-Gi-Oh and we made lots of nerd anime jokes. A few months later, she's calling me because he choked her. The break-up wasn't just messy. She physically had to take down all of her social media and move across the country. He kept going back and forth to bring incredibly nice to me, to then backhanded threatening me.

ACAB.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

All cops means ALL COPS. I've known friends & family who are great people. Loving fathers, caring husbands, cool dudes all around, but they were none the less cops. If you want to still be friends, great, unless you're discussing potentially incriminating stuff, you're probably fine (but even then there are damn good reasons lawyers tell people, innocent or not, to NEVER EVER TALK TO COPS EVER). This is the kinda thing where a relationship must nessisarily be different from the rest of the group, for the safety of yourselves & others. Don't rat out your friend who's got a hungry newborn & no money for babyfood, for instance. Maybe this difference is for the better, maybe for the worse, that's yours to work out.

All Cops Are Bastards, not nessisarily because they, themselves, as individuals, are bastards. But because of the job itself. What it expects of these people, the mentalities/ideas/trained responses it instills in them, the training & culture, what is expected of them, their responsibilities & tasks, how they are conditioned to perform them, the laws they are paid to enforce & how they're made to enforce them, etc. All of these make them a bastard same as any other cop because THE JOB ITSELF IS A BASTARD.

I won't describe how, there's plenty of info out there, & it sounds like you already have some understanding of it. Here's a link or two anyway.

Bottom line, they can still be a friend. Definitely a different kind of friend than you might be used to, possibly not as close a friend as they might otherwise be, but still a friend. But until they get that pink slip, (i.e, get fired or quit) be careful. If not for yourself, than for the people around you who are vulnerable. People of color, women, homeless, mentally ill or different, queer, activist, even those they are closest to, all of the above & more qualify as such. The power he wields has been used constantly to frustrate the lives of the above since their badge was made of silver, & likely will be for some time to come.

All Cops Are Bastards, because the job itself is.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Can you separate the profession from the person?

Does ACAB mean the people are bastards, or does it mean it’s a job that can never be done ethically?

Is ACAB a critique of the people doing the job, or is it a criticism of our society for tolerating being policed?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

A longtime friend became a cop around 2018. I told him I believed he would be a fair officer and that if more cops were like him, I wouldn’t dislike cops. But after their behavior in 2020 all throughout the UsA, I consider being a cop to be immoral. We’re not friends anymore because I think any cop with a shred of decency should have resigned after seeing their colleagues nationwide abuse people.

I’d let the friendship go, but that’s just me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (16 children)

Yeah. Don't be a prejudiced asshole and see your friend for who they are. Being a cop is something they do, not something they are. Don't let hate infect you just because it's on your own side of the line.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Yes the two are somewhat different, but the person still chose to become a cop. Maybe they didnt know better at the time or really wanted to be a good cop, but thats part of the persons identity.

Would you be friends with a hitman? Your comment would apply the same

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Never talk about the things you know you shouldn't. My cousin and I are exactly as before. EXCEPT politics. It's a brotherhood. You could grow up together for decades but they're gonna believe whatever they hear from the guys purporting they'd take bullets for them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Just talk to him directly, either he reacts badly and you can leave hil, or he react nicely and you could learn something about the day to day of a different kind of cop.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I genuinely believe ACAB,

Yeahhhh... No. That's not true. Being a police officer doesn't make someone a bad person. Good cops exist.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

The reason ACAB is because a good cop exists in a superposition between resigned and ~~murdered~~ tragically killed in the line of duty, and the act of reporting a bad cop collapses the waveform.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I was of this conviction until Amsterdam riot cops hunted down protestors like animals and beat them relentlessly, without reason, after they were released from custody, and not a single other cop denounced it.

(Here's a short compilation of videos taken while it happened, a journalistic video piece and a news article)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Good cops should prevent bad cops from existing.

There are no good cops.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Somebody just learned the dangers of broad generalizations

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm not saying which country I live in, but I've only ever had good experiences with cops. They were polite to me and also helpful. It is a profession which can and does attract bad actors and the extent to which people are vetted differs between locations, but not everyone is going to be like that. There are genuinely nice and caring people out there who want to help and protect people!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I used to be besties with a cop. He was a good guy for a while, but then he had a hernia and got prescribed pain meds. And then he started getting invited to cop parties where they all swapped pills, and he got addicted to hard things. It changed him entirely - he became aggressive and scary to be around, so I told him my thoughts and told him that I didn't want to be around him. He didn't take it well, and I felt scared.

Be careful. Imagine how bad things could be if he decided he hated you and wanted to put the weight of his authority against you. It could be too dangerous to be worth it.

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