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[–] jwt 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

And they're red, that means the offer is about to expire. Better act quick!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago

Better apt quick!

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I hope you auditted all of these for backdoors before installing them

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

Sorry, where is the backdoor? This is all official arch repos, and nothing even appears sketchy.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 19 hours ago

Haskell packages every other day...

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

people laughed at me for choosing debian. they asked why i chose to have ancient runes running in my computer

who's laughing now?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We are still laughing, no worries.

p.s. Debian is great, I am just a "kind of new" void converted.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

went looking for it. "stable rolling release" sounds really interesting, but i'm scared of installing it and being mistaken for a systemd hater

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago

Yeah, systemd hater or not, runit is quite fabulous Imo.

Some software with a hard requirement on systemd will not work, of course. I believe it is possible to run void using systemd, I've never tried though.

I really like runit, but once it's configured, like systemd, I mostly just don't see it anymore - you know what I mean...

Give it a shot, for me it's the packaging system, take a look at it and at the github "void-repository".

I really like how it's working, the simplicity of it, create your own package, your own repository, etc.

The killer features, for me, isn't really runit, but the stability of a rolling distro with the xbps package system.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

Still we, dinosaur.🦖

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have an Arch laptop that I didn't update for 3.5 years. The system update took a while when I finally went through with it. Amazingly it didn't break anything!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Yes, I am amazed that quite a few people in this thread are saying they 'had to completely reinstall the os' and that it broke everything after not much time. As long as one doesn't rely on the AUR for system critical packages or much in generel, it is incredibly hard to break an Arch system (Manjaro and other Arch-based distros don't count). This is due in part to Arch being quite reproducible but it also having very good maintainership.
It doesn't hurt to apply new package configs by going through pacdiff once in a while though.

Edit: Typo

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 hours ago

I ran a base-Arch with i3 before, I got tired of restoring backups and fixing things and went back to Debian. It broke too quickly by its defaults in my experience.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 20 hours ago

I switched from Windows to EndeavourOS a few months ago and haven’t had any issues on my personal computer, it’s amazing.

I also have EndeavourOS as a VM on my work laptop and I somehow managed to break systemd-boot when trying to do a system update though. The system update died halfway through and I defaulted to the classic solution of rebooting, which definitely made things worse because my boot partition in the VM broke. The great thing about Linux, and especially Arch, is the tools and knowledge readily available to fix things and everything was working again (with no data loss) in under 15 minutes. I’ve dealt with similar problems on Windows and either had to accept data loss or deal with significant headaches trying to resolve what should be a simple issue because the operating system refuses to provide basic information.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 22 hours ago

Manjaro and other Arch-based distros don't count

I think this has a lot to do with it. I have seen people say they use Arch before and then find out they're using a derivative.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

welp, looks like you don't use python virtualenvs... well i guess jokes on you all your shit is probably broken now (and as a bonus, that's probably a big part of the donwload size as well) :p

[–] [email protected] 4 points 23 hours ago

Probably should, but this machine is already cluttered terribly. A good bit of the download size is likely Pytorch files.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Looks like a !!FUN!! time in Dwarf Fortress.

[–] zer0 110 points 2 days ago (3 children)

To be fair, arch could look like that after a few days.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago (2 children)

NixOS is like that every day for no reason

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You see, this is why atomic desktops aren't a bad idea.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This has nothing to do with immutable desktops.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Well in an immutable distro, there is little to no chance for the system to end up in an unusable state (I guess it is the same for distros which apply the updates atomically). Traditional distros are far more likely to bork when so much shit is updated at once

[–] [email protected] 1 points 57 minutes ago

I have yet to break anything doing release upgrades on Debian since... 7? Or 6?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I don't think this is true. The package manager is there for a reason to prevent that. If you have more updates to install at a time, then the chances are the same as if you would have installed the problematic update one at a time. Just read the manual intervention information from Arch and see if there is something to do, then it won't bork. If people don't know what they are doing and do not read the additional information (that is required to do so on Arch), well yes, then you could end up borking your machine. But not because so many updates are installed at a time. The package manager and operating system and their maintainer designed it in a way that you can install ton of updates at a time without borking. This is fine.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

It's arch. There'll be no issue here.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

6.5 gigs. "Proceed with installation? y/n"

Yeah, I guess. Fark getting any work done today.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I did this regularly on arch. And it didn't end very well.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Read the Arch news before clicking "yes".

[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago

I have Informant installed for this. Saved my hide a few times.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

I used to be an adventurer like you, but then I took an error to gpg.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Recently updated a nixos machine that was on the shelf for five years or so. A few options and packages had been renamed, fixed those, upgrade completed with zero problems.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 23 hours ago

Only issue with this update was a maintainer's keyring had expired and been replaced, so his packages didn't pass the signing check. After re-installing the keyring, the whole think works fine.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Remembers Tumbleweed fondly

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (7 children)

This is why I Dont use rolling release Distros on Pcs i wont use often.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 hours ago

I'd guess the updates would be about the same on a stable distro, this was a very cluttered install.

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