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I saw this article, which made me think about it...

Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes world-first laws


Seeing what kind of brainrot kids are watching, makes me think it's a good idea. I wouldn't say all content is bad, but most kids will get hooked on trash content that is intentionally designed to grab their attention.

What would be an effective way to enforce a restriction with the fewest possible side effects? And who should be the one enforcing that restriction in your opinion?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In real terms, I have no idea if this is a good move or a bad one. We'll know more in five years once the Aussie nerds can publish on the effects. I can't think of a compelling reason not to try it though.

Social media use is bad for everyone. Tech companies have spent billions of dollars refining and optimizing their platforms to maximize engagement and usage at the expense of all other considerations.

I've been researching the mental health effects of social media for an unrelated project I am working on. From an incomplete read of the research, social media use has a strong correlation with mental health issues. I haven't encountered anything peer reviewed that proposes a specific relationship between the two, but my personal (somewhat well informed) guess is that someone will find a link eventually. That's just where the research I've read seems to be headed.

I'd guess they probably have a symbiotic relationship. (Certain kinds of) Mentally ill folks use social media more than others, why or if that is anything more than a red herring is still to be determined, but I have read coverage of other research that suggests that social media might be destroying attention spans (though I haven't read that research myself yet).

Getting the political system involved in this effort is probably undesirable simply because elected officials seem to have entirely abandoned any pretense of using science to inform policy and are basically puppets for the oligarchy. Voting against the interests of their donors is unlikely.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't understand. Are you honestly claiming that you don't see any possible value in social media for teenagers? We could talk about people with eating disorders. We could talk about marginalized minorities who can find support in distant communities because where they live is ultra-conservative. We don't have to work hard to think of those examples, they're well documented, they're very real.

Of course you could argue that the harms outweigh the benefits, but to pretend that there are no benefits is just mind boggling.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I don't believe it's something for the government to enforce. Any law that requires a nongovernment agency to collect identification means that identification is at risk of being stollen and means it will be used to track the person. If every person using the internet will have to prove their age everywhere, it's going to be a mess.

Whatever company has the worst security will have all the IDs stollen and used everywhere else. And I'm sure at first, it will be used so that criminals can frame others for their online crimes really easily.

I mean how do you prove the person using the internet is the one in the ID over the internet. It's easy enough to just use the picture on the ID and some "AI" to produce a fake image if they're going to require taking a picture of who's using it or something like that. This won't stop any minors from accessing information they shouldn't. The only way to do that is through education to make them realize they don't want to access that information and then give them the tools to avoid it. Not try to keep it from them. That just makes them want it more and to have to become criminals to do it. And further, if they're committing that minor crime just to do something normal it desensitizes them to more serious crimes because they don't understand the reasoning for them. Which is why making minor stuff that doesn't affect anyone but the offender a crime is always a bad idea.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Yes, but leave them the SMSs

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Should anyone use social media as it exists today? Is it really social media anymore? Does that mask really cover all the horribleness

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What should it be called? Agreed that the vast majority of it is a dumpster fire of lies and brain rot, but what would you rename it?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I don't see it getting better before it gets much worse. Exploitation is the closest legal term. This is something we have literally never seen before as a species. It's like naming a whole new animal or landmark - nothing to be done in haste. So much of the discussion is useless because it's been framed in the favor of our abusers. In almost every facet, from the server to your phone - it's just trying to suck every bit of labor it can to feed the cycle.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago

I think kids should be aborted

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