earlier than initially projected
There's that phrase again. If only someone had warned us loudly and repeatedly.
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So what are we gonna do about it?
We let this keep happening, everybody dies. Literally everybody. So let's not upld back ideas because they're slipshot or ridiculously violent.
What are we going to do about it?
Just kill ourselves?
Well, a lot of people didn't vote because they believed the genocide/both-sides-are-the-same bullshit, and now Republicans control Congress, the Presidency, and the Supreme Court. But no worries, they are very well-known for their stewardship of the environment, so don't fret.
Oh my god I'm so fucking sick of hearing about voting. I'm not even going to have the detailed argument with you about this with you.
We could waste time arguing how much shorter GHG reductions would fall of the 'dont end all life' line under Harris. Yeah. But the fact is we wouldnt get there, we would still have a deep seated fascism problem in thus country, and the government would still be an existential threat to life on earth. It just wouldnt single me out for being queer-which admittedly would have been nice. Oh well.
Begging establishment mommy wasn't going to keep humanity as a whole alive any longer than begging establishment creepy pedo uncle will (though, yeah, would have been nice to lower the rape risk when doing so; at least for cis people).
So tell me: what are you actually going to do about it? Like, picks and shovels, not lanyards and ballots. Autocad not outlook. What are you going to actually DO?
What are you doing, pal? Maybe stop howling at strangers to do something and calmly explain what you think they should be doing… especially if you can point sincerely to your example.
You’re very noisy but not very informative. It’s not endearing.
As a finn, I can live with -40 °C winters, let them come. At least the invading russians will drop dead like flies in the winter. Again.
as a Canadian, I agree totally. -40 is wayyyy more tolerable than +40. I'll take Hoth over Tatooine any fucking day of the week
As someone who whe experienced both-ish, I tend to agree. There is a point where you just get sick when it's too hot and humid and it's way worse than being cold. Your system just shuts down and you feel so bad, and if you don't get away well you die.
That said, -35° is the coldest I have lived through and without proper clothing it's not funny being outside! But it beats dying lol.
Heat pumps work at >100% thermal efficiency.
Air conditioners dont.
As a Californian, I'm also, hesitantly, with you.
Heat pumps work at >100% thermal efficiency.
Air conditioners dont.
An air conditioner is a heat pump... That just works in one direction. It uses refrigeration just the same.
They both rely on creating a thermal gradient between two heat exchangers. And they are both negatively affected by extreme temperature gaps.
The heat exchanger facing outside with a heat pump must be colder than ambient temperature by a reasonable margin. The opposite goes for an AC. These qualities break down in extreme ranges for typical hardware.
This also, as expected, reduces the efficiency.
Same machine
Yes. Kinda the point.
extremes make everything harder
Yeah extremes do suck.
We need to be coordinating human effort across the globe on this above all else. China’s the only one taking it seriously right now.
The people defending the US tariffs on imports of Chinese solar panels are engaging in straight up climate change denial. We don’t have time for industry protectionism. Once the currents collapse, food chain collapse will follow shortly.
We dont take radical action and fix this immediately, literally everyone dies, and not in a fast pretty 'nuclear apocalypse' kinda way.
Nothing is unjustified when compared to inaction. No amount of violence or hardship we can inflict will match what we will experience if we do nothing.
It may already be too late.
So until there's a better idea, gimme everything you've got.
My first idea, spoilered because its very long:
spoiler
Convert all luxury manufacturing to solar and wind power, where possible, and start training people to build and maintain them. Put alternators on every treadmill and exercise bike. Strip them out of cars if you have to. The point is as much to drive home the desperation as it is to generate power. Recover every joule everywhere you can. Not every factory, not every resource can be a part of this, but where factory owners object, take them out of the picture however you see fit.
No more fast fashion disposable tech bullshit. Everything should be built to last.
Kill the wealthy. They could probably be coerced into joining civilization, but it will take too long and they will do too much damage. The lives lost and existential threat that time would take simply is not worth it. The ones who just come over should absolutely be spared; prince linpopo was a better outcome than princess anastasia, and should be a goal where possible. If mark zuckerberg is immediately willing to be a (closely watched) creepy doll-man who jacks off to the roman empire and lives in a 1 bedroom above his dojo/arena; I say let him. Making an example of the ones who won't or can't be trusted may be necessary.
No new gas cars, no new coal or oil infrastructure. No exceptions. Enforce this violently if you have to. The governments are owned, you will noy get them on board.
Build and retrofit nuclear. There will be disasters. They will suck. Put our best and brightest on this to minimize the risk. Its not a forever fix, but it will buy us time while we figure out load balancing.
Switch to trains and nuclear/wind barges. No new asphalt roads. Sorry, they're just not energy efficient. Start tearing up city streets for trolleys and urban freight rail. Don't ask, beyond calling 811, and your engineer or foamer friend for expert advice and standards. Plan and execute. If you keep to trolleys, they won't be heavier than modern trucks, and things like weight concerns won't factor in-you and your friends can do this with hand tools if necessary, like they did 150 years ago.
No more air travel. No more frivolous air freight or next day shipping, unless somebody cones up with some very cool logistics. Maybe we can bring in hyperefficiemt solar gliders, or some sort of hybrid PV air ship in a few years, once we've sorted food and power out. Wouldnt that kick ass?
No more beef or pork for a while. I know. Shit's gonna be lean for a few years. Fuck I'm gonna miss cheese. Keep enough cows and pigs alive to breed them back, work on greening that shit however we can until we can get some amount of it back. Our grandkids should have cheeseburgers. Maybe us in fifteen years. Cut down on chicken and fish.
Generally fix agriculture. This monoculture shit where we adapt the natural world to our machines? It's not earth friendly, its not sustainable, and its not even that healthy long term.
No more "artificial intelligence" or fucking crypto bullshit.. That shit guzzles resources we desperately need, and it provides no value. Let the computer scientists keep working on crap that isn't a dead end. Give free liberated gpu's to every gamer, just to fuck with the fossil lobby's political base, and have enough left over for super computers, should we need them for stuff.
Tell capitalism to fuck off. Stop accepting money. Start doing stuff because you believe in it in your spare time. Maybe steal shit, when it's held by corporations instead of people, just to grate at the taboo. Thus isn't just because I already wanted to do it; the ideology of ownership-as-value will always tend towards cheating, conflict, exploitation, and stagnation. There's no more time to fuck around with that shit, and also:
Be inclusive. No I mean it; this isn't just hippie shit. Every person you leave behind or exclude is a weakness, is someone with no reason not to undermine you. Whether you exclude them for a disability, their birth place, or any demographic info, you should fucking consider if its worth the cost. It's better to have some folks who eat 2000 calories a day and live in a studio apartment. Let the old folks find ways to give people purpose (should they want it), maybe tell stories or help watch kids.
Stop tolerating violence in defence of the old order. Thats anti homeless sweeps and traditional militaries.
Get fucking organized. Find people who know how to do stuff, and find the shit they need to do it. Find people with nothing better to do and find any task you can offer them; nobody likes doing nothing for too long.
Fix everything. Find the little wastes. Streaming 'the office' ten times a year is a waste when you could just download it. Dont ask permission when a corporation is involved.
Summer homes in Europe go up in value. A new market for winter apparel opens too. Just think to the potential market growth. This is going to make a few shrewd entrepreneurs very wealthy. The planet will suffer, but man think of the money.
B-but the oil lobbyists at COP told me amoc won't be affected
I gotta stop using chrome on my phone 😔
Mildly fitting though. "Ecological collapse is imminent; please buy more products."
Ecological collapse is imminent; please buy more products
If there is a better epitaph for Humanity, I have not heard it.
Can we Laser etch this quote onto the moon's surface before the last human dies please?
The alien visitors to this planet will sort through the ruins of its extinct species and will be told to buy more things. By computers still running, still marketing.
They will shrug their shoulders and wonder what that means, and if it helped the inhabitants.
Ritual purposes.
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The Earth will survive and the humans will get what they deserve.
Millions of species will go down with us, some already have been relagated to extinction by our actions.
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Humanity will be just another dead branch on the tree of life
at least its self-pruning
Humans are pretty resilient. Adaptable to any climate, even the mess of a climate we created.
Now, I'm not saying that all 8 billion of us will survive.
What I'm saying is, the minimum viable genetic population for humans is about 2000 individuals.
I thought it was 500. I think I even read that 50 might be enough by some estimates.
50 if you're carefully planning breeding.
2000 for a good chance to persist long-time under normal breeding conditions
I've seen some of the same estimates. I settled on 2K because that's what is estimated to have survived the To a supervolcano. Or rather the non-African population that survived.
Homosapiens in Africa actually did quite well comparatively.
When food runs out for even a portion of those 8 billion, results are gonna be nasty.
It's hard to talk about climate initiatives when 1/3 of the planet is shooting eatch other. In worst case with nukes.
Yep, there will always be humans as long as there is literally anything we can hunt/forage and eat.
If that will resemble what we perceive as civilisation is another question entirely.
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Basically it's too late to stop the process. Even if we switched to renewables entirely, there will be a lag. That lag is now in a positive feedback loop.
Not to mention the tipping point where it is no longer reversible. And even worse, the huge effect that the current has on basically the whole of the globe!
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