This is major league copium. The fact is that Trump's opponent got way more votes in 2020 than in 2024, and had the blue turnout in 2024 equaled what it was in 2020, he would not have won in 2024. Period.
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Yeah I'm really not sure why these conversations are still going on. It's painfully clear that Dems lost this election because of voter turnout.
At this point it's just sad to see the impotent denial of facts of some people. He won the election and the popular vote. End of story.
Great! We can relish the fact that he didn't win over the majority of Americans as our country descends into a fascist hellhole run by billionaires, war hawks and rapists.
The 2024 election results highlight Trump’s narrow victory and the need for Democrats to address their mistakes and build a diverse working-class coalition.
just to be clear, this isn't really a failing of the dems per say, not to say they didn't have issues, they did. But this was a global shift away from incumbency. This seems to be more of a response to covid and inflation more than anything else possibly could've influenced it.
Lucky break for trump, dems just have to come back stronger i guess.
The only thing of note here is that since the winner got <50%, then I’m guessing 3rd party votes were slightly higher this election.
1.7% in 2024.
1.9% in 2020.
5.7% in 2016.
1.7% in 2012.
1.4% in 2008.
2024 is not the outlier. It's mostly about how well the other major party candidate does.
So, 4% less in 2024 than in 2016, the last time he won. That by itself stands in pretty stark contrast to those who want to blame his victory on people who voted for a third party.
Trump won in 2024 chiefly because millions upon millions of Dems who voted in 2020 stayed home in 2024. That's the reality.
Trump won in 2024 chiefly because millions upon millions of Dems who voted in 2020 stayed home in 2024. That’s the reality.
probably also a mix of lack of accessible voting, so the soy peeps who are bitching and moaning right now, are probably in the crowd of people that didn't vote (or just actually busy people, idk)
and malaise towards the incumbency (global phenomenon)
You all need to get your "Fuck Trump" flags made and start driving around with them for the next 4 years.
That's still a win in the popular vote. He has a mandate.
It's a plurality and not a majority, pretty far from a mandate. It's a legal win.
Usually, "mandate" used to mean overwhelming support from the majority. If these percentages hold up, donvict has a plurality. Even if he had a bare majority with Kamala and him having ~1.5% delta, it's not like it is some real mandate, either...
He still won the popular vote.
i think in presidential elections in order to "win" you need at minimum a 51% vote. Otherwise you don't actually win, but i could be mixing some shit up lol.
Voting is fucking weird.
By being less less poplar than he was last election, because the Dems were even less poplar
What do poplar trees have to do with this ?
Their wood is too soft to stand up to the Republicans, the Democrats need something stronger, like oak or maple.
I kinda like the sound of Maplecrat.
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It won't matter. He, and his cultists, will continue to claim otherwise.
I mean his vote share went down, he still has more votes than kamala.
So they don't need to say anything he still won the popular core
This is a ridiculous argument. Orange man won the electoral college, got the most votes, won the senate, house of reps, the presidency, and the supreme court. What more is there to lose?
Plenty of coping from the liberal corporate media, instead of admitting that liberals abandoned the working class to court the monied interests.
idk why people keep yapping about abandoning the working class, it mostly just seems like a dogwhistle to a general dissatisfaction that never seems to go away.
People were doing the same shit before biden dropped out, saying they would support someone else, like kamala. That happened, and then they didn't.
how would the liberals court the working class? would electing a fucking immigrant factory worker do it? At what point does the working class actually go "you know what, i agree, i will vote for this person" because the problem is, you can't just put some guy in the seat, we did that with trump, it was a horrendous mistake, and trump should have some idea of how this stuff works.
You need someone politically educated and experienced, capable of representing the people, like biden. There's a reason he got so much legislation through the government, even with how polarized it is right now.
unless of course, you want to overthrow the government, and install a dictator. That would also work.
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