What else is he going to say? Fuck the U.S. and fuck Trump?
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Exactly. While pride from Zelensky would feel great I'm sure, it would come at the cost of many more Ukrainian lives. Best to suck up to the wannabe dictator and hope he's generous.
He's willing to suck up to an asshole for his citizens. It's an excellent mark of leadership.
Could be they need to make sure trump gets something out of it, and he will come around to Ukraine.
Surrendering power and appeasing dictators, famous for not backfiring. /s
The reporting I heard from Michael koffman was Ukrainian soldiers felt they were slowly losing to attrition and needed a change in approach anyway, so this may not entirely be bullshit from zelensky.
The word from NCD, is that Zelensky wasn't bluffing about the nukes. He doesn't think Putin can radiologicaly retaliate after his generals looted the maintenance budget.
Israel has been taking part in a technology transfer. Any escalation in Eastern Europe takes eyes away from what's going on in the Levant.
Iodine pills all around!
Giving Ukraine a nuclear deterrent may be Netanyahu’s Churchill moment, i.e. one good action made by someone with an otherwise uniformly shitty record
If I was Zelensky, I'd probably agree to a rebuilt Ukraine with Trump Towers and Tesla factories and all sorts of things. "Just imagine, Mr. President, world class Trump golf course and resort in Crimea--- envy of all East Europe!"
The people at Lemmy.ml are going full brain tapeworm over this.
Meanwhile, I wonder what this truly means. Will the Ukrainians get their people back? Will they get their land back? Will they keep the land they had just before Russia's invasion?
The lessons Putin learns from this will potentially spell distaster. Thankfully, this war has already damaged Russia greatly.
Yeah. I saw the same article posted over there and they’re seemingly marching single-file right in lock-step right up Putin’s ass.
And the copypasta rebuttal links are insane!!
Sorry Ukraine, but America forgot about you and moved on to the next one, as is always the case. Trump and Putin who are allies of Netanyahu played Americans like a fiddle and got what they wanted. They distracted everyone from Ukraine and created the opportunity for a Trump win, which will help them destroy both Palestine and Ukraine.
One of these will happen?
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Trump is Putins puppet and US will eventually drop support from Ukraine. Europes support will not be enough and Ukraine eventually falls. Trump tower will be build in Moscow in a decade.
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Trump will brown nose Putin. Putin will humiliate Trump and things will continue as is.
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Option 2, but Trump dies or is incapacitated. Just replace Trump with Vance or other Republican stooge.
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Trump is actually a misunderstood stable genius and war will end with territorial loses that Ukraine can accept.
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Russia has an economical collapse and has to pull out of Ukraine, but still desperately tries to cling on Crimea. No peace agreement signed and conflict continues as a confusing mess to far future, maybe stabilizing in Korea style.
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Everybody goes nuts and we are all live action roleplaying Fallout.
1 is impossible due to Europe's conviction. 2 is inevitable.
I think 5 has some elements of truth, but a full on collapse would probably be the end of Putin. More minor economic problems would probably lead to koreafication around the current front line.
I don't think Europe has much conviction regarding Ukraine, unfortunately. Most of the larger EU member states are trying to slow their own Russia-backed right-wing movements but appear to be losing ground by the day. It's only a matter of time before the "appeasement" stance becomes widespread and we end up with a situation mirroring the 1930's.
I think its probably critical that political parties focus on defending against russian agression, even above economic issues or immigration issues. Might be time for unity governments if things start to get bad with the US and Russian fronts.
It's hard when there's easy points to be scored by saying "why should we spend our hard earned money on far away wars when we can spend it at home on hookers and blow!"
Well, the biggest supporters of Ukraine like the nordics, baltics, and Poland don't see Russia as far way, but yes, that's the difficulty.
It's surprising that even leftist parties like Sahra Wagenknecht have become open supporters of Russian fascism in Europe.
Yet you already have direct neighbors of Russia like Hungary and Slovakia simping for Putin, so proximity to the threat doesn't seem to overcome the tendency towards misinformation and manipulation against your own best interests.
3 should happen soon with all the McDonald he eats.
Scholz (the spineless fuck) has already reached out to Putin.
Wouldn't nuclear winter help with global warming?
A nuclear winter isn’t a scientific guarantee, many post-cold war models have suggested it might not happen.
That said, shit would get fucked up but for how long and what affects they have on the atmosphere is still debated.
Wow, I didn't know it was debated. Thank you.
Well, it would send us all to the middle ages... so, probably yes /s
So would the collapse of civilization. Neither counts as a win for humanity.
Fuck humanity, i want to ensure a place for my cats to live in.
Yes but dogs.
Cats will probably be okay. Their wild cousins are native to desert climates.
Putin's asset in America will help him end the war while saving face.
Yes, it will indeed end sooner, once Trump's idea of America gives the entire war the cold shoulder and Trump sucks Putin's dick under the table.
It will not be in your favor, this war.
Remember when America tried being up and arms about Hong Kong? Forgotten about. What happened? Hong Kong fell. It'll be exactly like that.