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The static on old CRT TVs with rabbit ears was the cosmic microwave background. No one in the last 25 years has ever seen it.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 21 hours ago

People born after 2000 can see it on their phones, much more clearly:

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 day ago (1 children)

People born before 2000 think older technology just evaporated the minute the millenium ticked over.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Like when the black and white world suddenly got colorized! My grandpap told me about them old days - when the lawn, the sidewalk and the sky were just different shades of gray.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 21 hours ago

Grandpa was telling you about 50 shades of grey?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

2001 here literally grew up with CRT static, you have your years a bit off there.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

I was about to say, i think we had a CRT till about 2010. My grandma still has one upstairs so even my youngest cousins still grew up with it.

[–] [email protected] 133 points 1 day ago

Well, not really. The cosmic microwave background radiation was a tiny fraction of that noise. What everyone saw was mostly thermal noise generated by the amplifier circuit inside the TV.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago

Last time I thought about static I wondered why colour TV didn't show colour static.

Turns out the colour signal was on very specific frequencies, and if it wasn't present, it would assume it was a black and white signal and turn off the colour circuit.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It really isn't though. It is thermal noise.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Random radio sources, but a small part of the signal is CMB. I wasn't sure what you even meant by thermal noise but I believe it's a phenomenon of flatscreens. I found something that said it was "similar to snow on analog TVs" - so apparently there's a difference.

Funnily, Google AI says, "In the 1940s, people could detect the CMB at home by tuning their TVs to channel 03 and measuring the remaining static after removing other sources. This allowed them to prove the Big Bang before scientists did." So they had that going for 'em, which is nice.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Could it not be both?

[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Do you think CRTs just magically disappeared after the turn of the millennium?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don’t you still see this when using an OTA ATSC tuner on a newer LCD display? I thought this was a function of the signal generation and not the display technologies.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It is entirely possible for people born after 2000 to have grown up with CRTs.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It is, but those late model CRTs often had a lot of digital circuitry that displayed a solid color on channels with nothing on them. Unless there was a much older CRT around, they never would have seen it.

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[–] [email protected] 110 points 2 days ago (6 children)

CRTs was in use well into the 2000s

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Even before the 2000s they started showing a blue screen instead of static.

That wasn't just a digital or flat panel thing.

But of course old sets were around for a long time.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 21 hours ago

2007er here, I grew up with a CRT as the TV in our second living room, I'd occasionally watch stuff like Bob the builder and others, but since it was all on analog tv, channels started displaying lots of static, pretty much only like 2 or 3 channels were working last I saw.

Also we had that CRT TV until 2018, then chucked it in the store room, then threw it out in 2020, I kinda miss it, kinda don't, idk.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

The sky above the port was the colour of television, tuned to a dead channel...........

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Tube TV's remained in common service well into the 2010's. The changeover from analog to fully digital TV transmission did not happen until 2009, with many delays in between, and the government ultimately had to give away digital-to-analog tuner boxes because so many people still refused to let go of their old CRT's.

Millions of analog TV's are still languishing in basements and attics in perfect working order to this very day, still able to show you the cosmic background, if only anyone would dust them off or plug them in. Or in many retro gaming nerds' setups. I have one, and it'll show me static any time I ask. (I used it to make this gif, for instance.)

In fact, with no one transmitting analog television anymore (probably with some very low scale hobbyist exceptions), the cosmic background radiation is all they can show you now if you're not inputting video from some other device. Or unless you have one of those dopey models that detects a no-signal situation and shows a blue screen instead. Those are lame.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Amateur radio operators are indeed allowed to transmit analog NTSC television in the UHF band. It's most commonly done on the 70cm (440MHz) band, and a normal everyday 90's television is all you need to receive the signals. You'd tune to what would have been cable channels 57 through 61. The use cases for this have decreased in recent years; for example you used to see hams using amateur television to send video signals from RC aircraft or model rockets, now that's done with compressed digital video over something like Wi-Fi and doesn't require a license. But, it's still legal for hams to do.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

They haven't?

I have a TV from ~2010 that still gives me static when something isn't connected.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Cosmic microwave? Is that what you are calling "ants in a snowstorm" these days?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

"War of the Ants", where I'm from (sweden).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Ask your friend which side is winning, say you're rooting for the black ants, then turn off the TV and claim victory.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

ok Sweden wins this one

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago

I bought a plasma in 2009 that would show static if I turned it to cable channels without cable plugged in. Plasmas were susceptible to burn in and since I would game a lot I could see health bars etc start to burn in after a while. Whenever that would happen I would turn it to the static screen - making each pixel flip from one end of the spectrum to the other rapidly like that would actually help remove the burn in.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (4 children)

2002 here, we still had such a TV. For quite a while actually, since we never upgraded and just started using phones and computers instead. It became my console monitor.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

Dude I was born after 2000 and this is firmly planted in my memories. Maybe people born after 2010 haven't but 2000?

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 days ago (3 children)

they have to watch HBO shows to compensate

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Say that to my three CRTs. I was born in 2003.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)

By the way, the picture illustrating the post isn't actually displaying the real thing - the noise in it is too squarish and has no grey tones.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

TV static in recent movies and shows that are set in the past almost always instantly pull me out of the narrative because no one seems to be able to get it right and some are just stunningly bad. It's usually very subtle, so much so that I'm not sure I could even describe what's wrong. Makes me feel old to notice it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think the problem is because CRT displays didn't have pixels so the uniform noise which is static was not only uniformely spread in distribution and intensity (i.e. greyscale level) but also had "dots" of all sizes.

Also another possible thing that's off is the speed at which the noise changes: was it the 25fps refresh rate of a CRT monitor, related to that rate but not necessarily at that rate or did the noise itself had more persistent and less persistent parts?

The noise is basically the product of radio waves at all frequencies with various intensities (though all low) with only the ones that could pass the bandpass filter of the TV tuner coming through (and being boosted up in intensitity by automatic gain control) and being painted along a phosphorous screen (hence no pixels) as the beam draw line by line the screen 25 times per second so to get that effect right you probably have to simulate it mathematically from a starting point of random radio noise and it can't be going through things with pixels (such as 3D textures) to be shown and probably requires some kind of procedural shader.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

"The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel." - William Gibson, Neuromancer

Gibson describes the static as metallic, silvery gray in an interview.

"The sky was the perfect untroubled blue of a television screen, tuned to a dead channel." - Neil Gaiman, Neverwhere

I remember the white static myself.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago (8 children)

No one in the last 25 years has ever seen it.

I mean you can still find a CRT today and turn it on if you like, they're less common for sure, but they're still around if you're looking for one

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

You mean scrambled porn, right?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's not background, that's a free channel that showcases a polar bear in a snowstorm.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago (9 children)

The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel. - William Gibson, Neuromancer

One of the most beautiful opening lines to a novel.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago

My family had several tvs that did this until around 2013

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Well, if they had watched any HBO show, they kind of saw it !

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I still see it sometimes when connecting my Steam Deck to my TV

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