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pls don't let all the liberal downvoting discourage you. posts like this are more than welcome here <3
If Harris were actually leftwing, she'd pull that lever instantly, burn NATO to the ground, crush Isn'treal and many other based things
but alas, she is just the "good" cop of the bourgeoisie
(which essentially just means slapping BLM, LGBT and "feminist" stickers onto the bombs she drops wherever Wall Street requires it)
i'm an anarchist, but i'm also polish, and we kinda need NATO right now, with the whole Russia thing at our doorstep. i know it's not ideal, but fuck, not many other options out there and i do enjoy not being forcibly drafted to war
You’re not wrong.
Yeah maybe don't allow US to antagonize Russia Shall we go back in history
thanks, much appreciated. It’s very stark contrast to the real life discussions where they are mostly furious at harris & dnc. most of the time we are infact discussing that sanders, aoc and warren should create a new party as dnc has become beyond repair. they can definitely crowdfund the support like in 2016.
unfortunately neither Sanders, AOC, nor Warren are real solutions and never will be the solution. They mostly pay lip service to progressive causes but then actually support atrocities like the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia (in Sanders' case).
their job seems to be to "capture" progressive support and then endorce the reactionary candidates they actually plan on pushing. And even if they were to come to power, the best case is a renewal of capitalism so that it may exist another year/decade/century
as the DNC has become beyond repair
that is the case with the whole of the USA, it's beyond repair and in dire need of abolition if humanity is to have a future. Bourgeois "democracy" is inherently designed to halt real progress and to preserve the private (not personal!) property of the rich and the economic system that makes it possible in the first place (capitalism).
One viable future would be a socialist council democracy as one of the few true solutions
that’s the dream. but for now leaders like aoc, sanders are acceptable. someone like harris is not who just want to be slightly left of trump.
I don't think I am understanding this right. I thought liberals would be generally against big evil companies doing big evil stuff and big evil rich people doing the same.
Am I wrong in this?
Liberals don't rly care about that systemically or rather they only end up paying lip service to those issues instead of wanting to tackle the problems at it's root (and that is ripping out the system that is capitalism)
It’s not a trolley problem if you aren’t given a choice to pull the lever. There is no viable candidate who fights against super pacs.
If you are an American and not a Harris votes, what do you expect will happen to political power in the next year?
Are peacefully voting against a dictator, general strikes and forcefully guillotining the bourgeoisie all mutually exclusive?
What political power?
You're not wrong, but it was a difficult vote because all she lobbies for is "The Middle Class". Like I don't give a rat's balloon knot about the middle class. What about people who are stuck in a lower tax bracket trying to get a house? What about those same people trying to get enough money to save so their children can be in a higher tax bracket. Dem reps are throwing "Middle Class" around like they're an unrepresented minority, and haven't said anything about lower Class people that are having to live paycheck to paycheck because of inflation and shit peasant pay.
I propose that once Kamala officially assumes the position and we can ignore demented Hitler again we do our best to yeet her straight back out the Whitehouse.
We have to start getting actually mad, but in such a way where we keep thinking clearly and do not expose ourselves to emotional manipulation.
No. Don't yeet her out, but lobbying, absolutely. We as Americans need to start pushing OUR representatives to do what WE want. The official middle-class annual income is around $54K - $161K. Huge window, and those numbers are obviously embellished because it's claimed those numbers make up 50% of Americans. 11% of the percentage left over is poverty level, lower Class is 29%, and the rest is upper or upper-middle class.
So 41% of Americans can't or struggle affording the American Dream.
Now, let's look at tax brackets (which socially in America is what really defines your class)
$0-$11,000 essentially means you're homeless or in prison $11,001-$44,275 means you're impoverished $44,276-$95,375 is lower Class $95,376-182,100 is lower-middle class $182,101-231,250 is middle class $231,251-$578,125 is upper-middle class $578,126 and up is upper class.
So in substance, there are 7 tax brackets that represent "all" of the American people. When they say "Middle Class," they include all of the tax brackets that include the word "middle" and take the higher ends of lower-class. So they are embellishing the numbers to make it look like the majority is being spoken for, but what they're actually doing is fudging statistical numbers to try and cover the "majority" of Americans in 3 tax brackets.
Edit: Forgot resources
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2024/07/22/salary-needed-to-be-middle-class-in-largest-us-cities.html
https://www.irs.gov/filing/federal-income-tax-rates-and-brackets
You appear much more knowledged about taxes then i am.
What way can a laymen worker lobby effectively?
Proportional taxes, inflation defense, lower credit standards. My wife and I live in the lower-class bracket. We have been trying to move to a different state, and even with a credit score within the standards, the missing pre req is a standard income. Since my VA disability is tax-free, it is not supposed to be registered for income, and if one person uses that as their primary income, It's shown that one spouse has zero income and that the other spouse is paying an amount that's shows that income is hemorrhaging
no one ever said anything about boycotting the vote. If you think trying to curb unconditional support for genocide equals Trump, that's on you. Ofc one should vote blue in a swing state, but don't act like it's a good thing that'll fix anything. Strategic and conscious voting may be necessary but is by far nor enough political action
One of those things on the bottom path is not like the others.