Because you're not rich. The repressive part of the US "justice" system is only for poor people.
this post was submitted on 01 Nov 2024
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To give you an actual answer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_threat
The true threat doctrine was established in the 1969 Supreme Court case Watts v. United States.[3] In that case, an eighteen-year-old male was convicted in a Washington, D.C. District Court for violating a statute prohibiting persons from knowingly and willfully making threats to harm or kill the President of the United States.[3]
The conviction was based on a statement made by Watts, in which he said, "[i]f they ever make me carry a rifle the first man I want to get in my sights is L.B.J."[3] Watts appealed, leading to the Supreme Court finding the statute constitutional on its face, but reversing the conviction of Watts.
In reviewing the lower court's analysis of the case, the Court noted that "a threat must be distinguished from what is constitutionally protected speech."[3] The Court recognized that "uninhibited, robust, and wide open" political debate can at times be characterized by "vehement, caustic, and sometimes unpleasantly sharp attacks on government and public officials." In light of the context of Watts' statement - and the laughter that it received from the crowd - the Court found that it was more "a kind of very crude offensive method of stating a political opposition to the President" than a "true threat."[3]
That's a banger of a quote and a feeling I can totally get behind. Oh, you're gonna make me kill people? Then let's start with you.
So basically the shit-talker's easy way out? I'm ashamed of, but not surprised, the fact that the Supreme Court was the one that came up with the coward's way out to hate speech.
Trump could be in military jail for either the documents theft case, and leak of attack plans on Iran, or nuclear secrets. Jan 6th insurection call. He could be in military jail for foreign interference "daily calls" with Netanyahu.
There's 2 explanations:
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The DNC is a fundraising first organization as opposed to power first. It always selects the most zionist neocon candidates to get its fair share of fundraising, while not that concerned about losing to even more Israel first political opposition.
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Trump seems like the ideal candidate for Biden/DNC to run against. He lost last time, and has only gotten more unhinged. But an Israel crisis has meant massive money for him to help "finish the job" without concern for those radical left ideas about "genocide bad" or even keeping together the middle east alliance that props up Israel.
The supreme court gave wide leeway to use executive power to deal with "enemies within". DNC/Biden response is "let's hope for a fair election against a fascist" but not use those powers ourselves.
There is still a 2 month period after election under which to jail and epstein him. That should have been done in 2021.
Because you're not rich and powerful enough to have lawyers and public influence sway the judge to be more lenient to you.
Nominating judges that will throw out your cases on fictional grounds helps too!
Because Donald Trump is above the law -- laws simply don't apply to him.
(Or at least that is how much of the country is acting, INCLUDING the US Supreme Court.)
Some guy in Alaska threatened to assassinate six of the justices on the supreme Court and he was pretty quickly arrested.
Weird how that works.
Trump has Musk and Murdoch money behind him. Vance's life up until this point has veen thoroughly sponsored by Peter Thiel... They all have Epstein connections... A whole lot of people should be in jail.
Simple, because he didn't make a direct threat, didn't direct anyone else either. Hell, he didn't even call for her death. Trump's using the mob boss language he learned in NYC.
"I think OP should have 9 guns pointed in his face for posting this."
See how that works? All I said was that you should be threatened. Didn't threaten action myself nor direct anyone else to action.
Speech like this is clearly stochastic terrorism, but the US really doesn't have laws around it. I would hope there's an incitement angle to this, IANAL, but our strong 1A rights make it sticky.
I heard the word "LZ should be executed" from "media report".
you don't have an enormous cult of personality that will get violent if you face consequences
He didn't threaten anything; he made a (surprisingly, for Trump) valid comment against a dedicated war hawk.
Thank you for posting this! I immediately thought of this public announcement of sorts when I read the question.
unless harris wins this, the law doesn't apply to trump.
Look guys, the law is not code. It is not if(strcmp(speech, "kill") then return guilty();. There's this whole concept of mens rea which means a required element of the crime is whether or not he meant it as a threat to her, which you will note requires human judgement (by a jury!) to evaluate. It is highly unlikely that anyone would take this rhetoric, violent and gross as it may be, as a plausible threat against Liz Cheney by Trump.
It's also a violation of his probation, check with his probate officer when the warrant will be issued
I know it's different from a call to arms which is illegal. Maybe it's assault? Like another user said, money and power makes a difference in what you can get away with.
If you have to ask, then you clearly don't understand how politics works. It's real simple. Laws are made for the citizens, not for politicians. Politicians get diplomatic immunity becasue they are the ones left in charge. So this means they are either immune to law or it just doesn't apply to them. That's government for ya.
Depends on the exact wording, medium you said it through, and jurisdiction you said it in.
What's your net worth?
Money. The answer is always money.
He's is rich and in the US.
Rules for thee, but not for me
Laws are only for the plebs
My theory to all of the BS he gets away with is because he knows who was in Epstien's black book and who visited his island, but snuffing out an ex-president would be a bad look. So they protect him in the hope he doesn't squeal.
Possibly, but I believe that Putin has a ton of dirt on all of them from the GOP email hack.
If I threaten a politician to kill them
Implies that the threat itself is what kills them. Or that the intention of making the threat is that they will die as a consequence of receiving the message.
English is a Subject-Verb-Object language. What you should have said was:
If I threaten to kill a politician