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Half the country sees former President Donald Trump as a fascist, amplifying concerns raised in recent days by Vice President Kamala Harris and past members of Trump's own administration. Far fewer in a new ABC News/Ipsos poll level the same charge against Harris.

Nearly two-thirds also say Trump often departs from the truth, again more than say so about Harris. But Harris gets more criticism than Trump for pandering for votes by promoting policies she doesn't intend to carry out -- underscoring challenges for both candidates as the fur flies in their increasingly heated presidential race.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The fact that it’s only half is mind boggling

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Remember that ~40% have been told that fascism, communism, socialism, and the Democratic party are all the same for the last 40+ years by "news" organisations.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

That's what makes their messaging so effective. They just mislabel all sorts of shit so words lose all meaning.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

And of that half, some are voting for him because of it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My understanding from my remaining MAGA friend is that they're fed a steady diet of "liberals believe crazy theories" all day long from all the sources they're allowed. e.g. if liberals believe a thing there's absolutely no way it can be true.

Now the fact that this circumvents reason and agency are (apparently) irrelevant.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

e.g. if liberals believe a thing there's absolutely no way it can be true.

This kind of thinking is what will be the downfall of humanity. Already is happening.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The problem is that half of America likes fascism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fascism thrives on establishing an "In" group that has all the power and all the rights, and an "Out" group that gets nothing but suffering and is scapegoated for everything. You can guess which group that half thinks they'll be a part of.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The problem is that they always need an "out" group. So what happens when you get rid of all of the illegal immigrants? Suddenly, you're no longer part of the "in" group because you're neurodivergent or have the wrong color eyes. Or whatever becomes the new "out" group.

Then you're dead

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My hypothesized order of scapegoats is:

  • Non-cis gender identity
  • Sexual orientation
  • Neurodivergence
  • Race
  • Women
  • Wealth

They can't be too obvious about the end state being the rich having absolute domination over the poor, nor can they jump straight to demographics that have historically fought for equal rights.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

You forgot people of color and people who don’t hold an ever-narrowing definition of correct religious faith. And people belonging to unions.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This. Half of America likes fascist ideas, but don't want to to support THE WORD "fascism" since that's a bad word. Fucking idjits.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

.... Yet a good chunk will vote for him anyway, because they think Trump is hurting the right people.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Meanwhile %90 europe sees Trump a fascist

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Even that number is too low compared to what it should be.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Unfortunately not true. When I look at how many people have been voting on the right recently. For example among AfD voters in Germany (which got 30% in some areas), Trump is still very popular. The cancer is rampant here too.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A good chunk of Trump's cancer is caused by terrible left wing policy.

I hate Trump and everything about the far right, but I can understand people falling in love with the idea of a strongman who will cut through bullshit and do what people want.

The left is supposed to mitigate income inequality, and make life good for their citizens.

Both left/right idealogies are entirely owned by corporate interests across the globe - this is the crux of the entire issue.

The problems facing the middle class are entirely artificial and intentional. There are a myriad of reasons, but the end result is that we have one societies/laws/reality for the wealthy, and a completely different set of rules for the population.

The left promises to solve everything with equality and the right promises to resolve everything with hierarchy.

Neither idealogy has any intention of doing anything but funnel as much money/power to big business until their political careers are done.

The obvious difference is the "Right" idealogies are objectively bad for everyone but the ultra wealthy. Unfortunately being ultra wealthy gives you the ability to own national anti-reality propaganda networks.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

The US doesn't have a left wing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

I think it's wrong to think that because the right supports Trump that they don't think he's a fascist. A significant portion of those on the right support Trump because they think he's a fascist.

The important questions are, of the Americans who think Trump is a fascist:

How many think it should disqualify him?

How many plan to vote for him despite him being a fascist?

How many plan to vote for him because he's a fascist?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

This would be big news if having a majority actually mattered.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Half of Americans don't view him as a fascist and will gladly vote for him, and a portion of the other half sees it as a sign of leadership

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

No, the other half just doesn't know what fascism means.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

Or they know and are ok with it because they're cis, white, males who call themselves christian.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

They think it's a condiment

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

And the other half love him for it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

and the half that dont cant even spell fascist

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

The other half don’t have a clue that they are fing our country long term. It’s a funny joke to them

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