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The bottom of the article links to the history (individual features) of other IM programs from that era as well like ICQ and Yahoo Messenger.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I might have been 10 minutes too young for ICQ. I think that's what the college kids were playing with when I was in high school. For my cohort it was the big three: MSN, Yahoo! and AIM. You probably had all three installed on your computer and probably all running at once. They're probably why my entire generation can touch type. Vital tool for teenage social life at the turn of the century.

This was Microsoft's era, too. The main reason Apple survived the 90's was because Microsoft invested in them to counter anti-trust allegations. They paid Apple to keep existing so they couldn't be called a monopoly. Internet Explorer was the web browser, any others in use were a rounding error. No one had a Mac, a few people were still clinging to their Amigas. THE platform for personal/home computing and internet access was a Pentium PC with Windows ME or XP, which came with MSN Messenger out of the box.

Two things happened nearly simultaneously: Facebook Messenger and the iPhone. Graduating high school in 2005, your freshman year of college you probably started hearing about the cool new site that's kinda like MySpace except it's only for college kids. By your junior year all your new college friends were on Facebook and all your old high school friends that never logged on let alone talk to you were on MSN. And if you graduated in 2005, your junior year was in 2007, the year the iPhone was launched. MSN Messenger had been present as baked in "functions" of certain media phones at the time, but I don't think they ever made it to the App Store or even the Play Store on Android. Facebook was fast to adopt mobile apps, and for awhile there it was the one messenger service that interoperated between desktop on a web browser and smart phones across platforms. SMS didn't run on the desktop, iMessage is Apple-only, AIM, MSN and Yahoo were nowhere to be found and Telegram, Signal, Discord etc. weren't around yet. So everyone standardized on Facebook Messenger.

Meanwhile, Microsoft bought and ruined Skype.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I think that’s what the college kids were playing with when I was in high school.

Started college in 1995, and I indeed did have ICQ before too long. Still remember my number (6725571).

You probably had all three installed on your computer and probably all running at once.

I remember using a program called Trillian (which is still around!) in the late 90s/early 00s. It allowed you to connect multiple IM accounts in one app. It was sorta finicky, but it got the job done.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

I haven't thought of those apps for years, I used Pidgin! I had to look up the program name.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Emesene and pidgin were great! :)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

Pidgin was dope

[–] [email protected] 185 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

Microsoft pivoted to Skype. Saved you a click and reading about 1000 words.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Which Microsoft then shit all over (to be fair, Skype started that process even before MS bought them) and eventually renamed it to Microsoft Teams.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

I have use teams at work and I hate it.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 16 hours ago

Yep. I hate clickbait. You're a legend

[–] [email protected] 41 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

I'm surprised no one mentioned Facebook.

I recall using MSN as far as in to 2009, but the friends I was connected with migrated to Facebook when their chat feature rolled out.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 15 hours ago

I recall using MSN as far as in to 2009, but the friends I was connected with migrated to Facebook when their chat feature rolled out.

another reason to hate facebook

[–] [email protected] 7 points 17 hours ago

Same, it was pretty much an instant change too. Which sucked as Facebook chat was very unreliable at the time and obviously not very feature rich.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 19 hours ago

The article touches on that

The advent of social media and mobile devices couldn't be ignored either. These technologies were enabling new ways for people to stay in touch with friends and family that didn't involve a traditional computer.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 20 hours ago (5 children)

Anyone remember the short-lived Great War of the Messenger Apps? For a few months back around... '98? '99? MSN tried really hard to shoehorn its way into working with AIM. About every day there would be an update from MSM Messenger to allow it to work with AIM. Then AOL would fuck with their own protocol to ice out MSN users again.

I think these shenanigans also impacted the Trillium Messenger app too, which up until then had been flying under the radar of messenger interoperability.

I might be getting some of these details wrong.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

Trillium

Trillian, not trillium. And they're actually still around.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I used that until they pay walled it. Then I found Pidgen I believe it was called. It was open source and could connect to pretty much every messenger and IRC and stuff. Then my friend just switched to texting lol

[–] [email protected] 9 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Pidgin. Before that it was called Gaim.
It still works, as there are plugins to integrate it with almost everything.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (4 children)

And then Jabber came to fix it by introducing an open protocol, and Google started supporting it, and all was well. But when everybody was using Google Chat they severed the Jabber compatibility, locking everyone in to their platform. Now we're back wading around in enshittified shit and Jabber is dead.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago

People blame Google for the death of jabber because of one blog post from a disgruntled contributor but the truth is jabber was never popular and Google chat died as well.

Jabber was a mess, most of the clients were barely compatible with Each other and it was a wild west of feature support. Some clients were well featured with the ability to send richer messages, but typically only worked with a specific server and the same clients. Jabber did a crap job at making sure clients and servers interacted properly with each other and didn't push the standards quickly enough, forcing clients to do their own thing.

Which is all Google did, they went their own way because nobody used jabber and the interoperability was causing more harm than good. It didn't work, Google talk died and many years later clients like WhatsApp took over instead.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Support matrix!! It already has international support, just needs to be a bit better with stickers and qol stuff. I've been using it for years. It's nice to know I don't have to worry about my privacy at all with chat rooms that can continue on without the original server.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 19 hours ago

Trillian was definitely part of that war. I remember the daily patches to get things working again.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 17 hours ago

It was very popular within my friends up until the skype merger. At that point they went "i aint usin skype lmao"

[–] [email protected] 26 points 20 hours ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 17 hours ago

It was awesome. Especially paired with the msn messenger plus mod.

Near the end of its time and also when WiFi was taking off, I had friends with everyone in a uni house, but their WiFi was quite unreliable, so every hour or so I'd get 6 "person is online" pop up toasts appear simultaneously, stacked up on top of each other.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 20 hours ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 19 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

well, the same as the others really: Time.

I think once SMS and phone apps became the norm over having Messenger apps on our Desktops all the time, that was pretty much it for these applications over all. It was a long, slow death. But MSN was one of the firsts to call it quits if I recall right. Oddly the IM app I liked the most. It's just not many of my friends used it. They were all AIM/AOL users.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago

The smart phone/blackberry i assume killed a lot of the IM apps

[–] [email protected] 21 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

The one thing these messengers had over texts was presence notifications. I remember jumping through hoops to get aim working on my Motorola v188 so that I could be notified every time my crush came online and I could send her a “hey what’s going on”… only for it to be ignored.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I miss Adium, I used it for a bunch of protocols, and I customized the CSS/html to make it look really awesome.

I had an app called snakeskin or something to skin my Mac OS X to be dark themed.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Wow, that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Adium was awesome, that was the golden age of computing and the internet in my opinion.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

With Linux and other FOSS projects surging in popularity, I dare say we’re in for another.

But, sadly, companies don’t seem too interested in making good software for that sake of it being good anymore. Now it’s all about getting you hooked on an eternal subscription.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I certainly hope so. It’s been great seeing PopOS and Linux Mint pushing the bar on what a good linux desktop experience can be.

I’d love to see Linux become a stronger competitor to macos (which is what I’ve used for almost 20 years).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Absolutely adore PopOS. I can’t wait for cosmic to be finished!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 20 hours ago (11 children)

I never knew anybody who used it. I had one contact on ICQ. Everybody else used AIM.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

I was in highschool in the 2000s in Europe, and msn was our default way of communication with classmates.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Yep, early 2000s in the UK and everyone was using MSN. I didn’t know a single person using AIM or ICQ!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

I can see why AIM would be mostly an American phenomenon, given it was initially a feature specific to AOL. ICQ...I like to say I'm 10 minutes too young to have used ICQ, everybody who has wistful memories of it were like the seniors when I was a freshman. Yahoo! was the other one; the perpetual alsoran.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 20 hours ago

Ditto for us in Australia

[–] [email protected] 6 points 17 hours ago

I think this is another one of those cases where the US does something different to the rest of the world: the majority of people were using msn messenger but the US was using aim.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 16 hours ago

In the UK MSN was pretty ubiquitous.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 20 hours ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago

Good old days.

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