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[–] [email protected] 130 points 1 week ago (8 children)

We can't even figure out how to not have half our society be rasict, how the hell are we gonna save a whole planet from our fuckery?

[–] [email protected] 123 points 1 week ago (2 children)

We're not gonna be able to combat climate change under capitalism anyway. The number one thing we need to do is to produce less but that goes directly against what capitalism needs to function. Not to mention that governments are bribed by companies to make laws in their favour.

But hey, what's the point of saving our planet anyway if we can't maximize profits anymore?

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yep. And if you mention this, you're a commie and capitalism is the greatest thing ever and under socialism we will all starve and have nothing and it never worked look at Cuba.

Like capitalism works, and there are no imaginable alternatives.

Just don't use resources to produce that much useless crap to just dump it in a landfill or burn it? Is it so hard to understand?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Bold of you to assume that most people even want that. From what I can tell...

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There are a large number of people out there who seem to be deliberately making it worse - not even for profit, but just out of spite.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

We don't and we won't.

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[–] [email protected] 105 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Humanity is fucked. My sympathy lies with the animals.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I sympathize with the children that had nothing to do with it.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 week ago (14 children)

It’s why I’m not having kids.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

That's all of us unless you're an executive in a multinational corp, or work for the oil and gas industry.

We've all been ramrodded into this reality by a handful of giant Corporations, over the last 100 years.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah I agree. But I could have chosen more fuel efficient cars when I was younger. Bought less shit I didn't need. I could've done more. Yeah it's not entirely my fault, we've been thrown into the gauntlet, what can you do if you wanna live? But the children born now, or God forbid even later are going to find themselves in a hellscape of an economy and ecosystem. And my heart goes out to them because they'll get less than I had, less freedom, less upward mobility, less drinkable water, less food, less breathable air, and be more fucked by everything. The longer we push it, the worse it gets for the people who had less to do with it.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

If it helps to assuage your guilt at all, we have been living, inundated with corporate propaganda, for all our lives.

"Carbon footprint" is a great example; it's a Corporate guilt trip.

https://interestingengineering.com/culture/carbon-footprint-coined-by-big-oil-to-blame-you-for-climate-change

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Animals are fucked! We decimated 75% of wildlife in 50 years, and it is still growing

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

societal collapse

Ah yes, that thing that has us laboring to chase meaningless plastic crap we're brainwashed into needing instead of growing our own food and maintaining our own shelters as small, purposeful communities, all so the owners of this society can siphon our energy while poisoning the earth, all to live like wannabe gods above us.

No more penis Space tourist rockets? What a loss...

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago

That’s unfortunate because I have been trying really hard to participate in society.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago (15 children)

You know what would be useful in a societal collapse? Electric vehicles and solar panels.

Hopefully peppers aren’t building zombie busses because they’ll be useless in 6 months after the oil stops flowing.

An ev with a charger panel and bicycles will be useful indefinitely.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

When society collapses, upwards of around 95-100% of us die. That's reality.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I’ll probably be one of them.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Solar panels and batteries require massive supply chains. They require our rarest minerals and highest tech, with highly educated workers to develop and produce and state of the art clean rooms and factories.

If we stop producing them, the current stock will be useful for like 50 years tops. Then it's back to fossil fuels, I'm afraid. Diesel generators last for a long time, and they're easier to maintain and produce.

I remember i read a doomer theory stating we should be stockpiling coal for the humans that remain to rebuild society since there is nothing we can do at this point and fossil fuels is the only thing that will outlast the collapse. I'm not that pessimistic, but i can see what they mean.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Lol, Diesel can on average only be stored for 6 to 12 months before degrading. Good luck with that.

If a collapse ever happens I'd rather have solar panels and an EV. Fuel production and transport would instantly grind to a halt and the existing fuel goes bad soon after.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

"We don't know who struck first, us or them. But we do know it was us that scorched the sky..."

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago

We're moving back to office until we can't move at all.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's old news, no? I recall reading that basically from 2°C there is no more economic growth, what means a lot of people are thrown under the bus. From 3°C there is no more economy, meaning no food, heating, fighting everywhere. From 4°C there is basically no more humanity.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (3 children)

That sounds pretty extreme. I'd be Interested in reading that article, if you can find it.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/syr/

I'm looking at the Full Volume, and on page 71 you can see

With about 2°C warming, climate-related changes in food availability and diet quality are estimated to increase nutrition-related diseases and the number of undernourished people, affecting tens (under low vulnerability and low warming) to hundreds of millions of people (under high vulnerability and high warming) ... Climate change risks to cities, settlements and key infrastructure will rise sharply in the mid and long term with further global warming, especially in places already exposed to high temperatures, along coastlines, or with high vulnerabilities (high confidence).

At global warming of 3°C, additional risks in many sectors and regions reach high or very high levels, implying widespread systemic impacts, irreversible change and many additional adaptation limits (see Section 3.2) (high confidence). For example, very high extinction risk for endemic species in biodiversity hotspots is projected to increase at least tenfold if warming rises from 1.5°C to 3°C (medium confidence). Projected increases in direct flood damages are higher by 1.4 to 2 times at 2°C and 2.5 to 3.9 times at 3°C

Global warming of 4°C and above is projected to lead to far-reaching impacts on natural and human systems (high confidence). Beyond 4°C of warming, projected impacts on natural systems include local extinction of ~50% of tropical marine species (medium confidence) and biome shifts across 35% of global land area (medium confidence). At this level of warming, approximately 10% of the global land area is projected to face both increasing high and decreasing low extreme streamflow, affecting, without additional adaptation, over 2.1 billion people (medium confidence) and about 4 billion people are projected to experience water scarcity (medium confidence). At 4°C of warming, the global burned area is projected to increase by 50 to 70% and the fire frequency by ~30% compared to today

However, if you really want to get into it, you can read the Climate Change 2022: Impacts, Adaptation and Vulnerability Full Report. It has a lot more details about the effects of climate change on all parts of the world, but it's also a 3,000 page pdf.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Societal collapse, eh? Sounds like a great opportunity for profit!!!

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

I'd say the ones who have been saying it's not real should be the first to become soylent green

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

a bit late for that when society is turning to fascism all over the world.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Good ol' fascism! You can always count on fascism to to help people. Well, the right people. I mean, some of the right people, maybe a small subset of the right people.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

:shocked-picachu:

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Societal collapse is the best thing that can happen right now, capitalism will not save the workers nor the environment. Only a complete revolution can save the workers, the environment, and the future of humanity.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Societal collapse doesn’t guarantee anything for people who want any kind of revolution

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Most people forget they are probably just gonna die in an apocalypse.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago

So back to the rule of kings and Strongman Despots.

Because that's what a social collapse will get you every time. There will be no "worker's paradise".

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm afraid it's not going to save anyone, because it's going to be a collapse with many casualities mainly on the side of the poor, not a revolution. I imagine it as a social disaster. The rich will be ok.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The rich will be ok and their kids will repopulate earth. With a plow, a hammer and a sicle. Oh the irony...

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Your accelerationist bullshit does nothing but harm us all

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (19 children)

Do you actually think that?

As though we just do societal collapse on Wednesday and then start living our best lives on Thursday?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

People think it's gonna be fun, like Zombieland. Instead, it's going to be fun, like The Road.

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