This immoral prick continues to push my Stoic practise to its limit.
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You can't buy popularity, Elon. Ask your buddy Donald
If this is illegal, does that mean Cards Against Humanity's recent voting stunt is also?
The worst part is, he isn't even American. Imagine if Americans would go into a foreign country and try to influence the elections... Oh wait.
Rich people feel like they can do anything they want and usually the law lets them do so. I hope he faces some type of punishment for this.
Stupid rich people trying to take advantage of 'stupid' poor people.
Stupid rich people taking advantage of the flaws in American law enforcement and of the American judiciary system
Putin rubbing his fingers with glee rn. If this doesn't get prosecuted, I know what he'd do.
“Illegal” is just a joke at this point
Has been for centuries. Rules rarely applied to the leaders of Rome or China, as soon as someone noticed the trend, it was the end of those governments until it was time to reform and try again.
If you have enough money to have sway in your community or kingdom, you have enough money to start asking for favors and benefits. "I'll give you this land, you give me something later." "If I can guarantee enough grain for the next month, I can get a guarantee from you soon."
You put someone into any power over others, someone wants that power, and some people are willing to do anything for that power.
What's stopping people from applying to his "lottery" and just not voting Trump?
Apparently nothing. I live in PA and want to sign up, but I really don't want Musk to have my email or phone number or home address.
As if he didn't already have them
Make them up?
I feel like that wouldn't get me the million dollars.
I don't think anyone's actually getting a million dollars...
Understandable. I'd greatly consider it (if I didn't already turn in my mail-in ballot, and he offered to California) but the idea alone that I'd be giving my private info to "I am a massive fascist and enabler and funder of them" just so I can grift a grifter.
But the simple fact that even if I could give them what they demanded for payment, they would probably see a disabled, queer, poor person and go "Oh, well, you're one of them so... Face the wall."
I'd rather be a poverty-trapped queer in a red county as I am now, than sell my morals for money. That's what people with the moral backbone of a chocolate eclair do.
Though maybe some of the other things Musk was doing were of murky legality, this one is clearly illegal. See 52 U.S.C. 10307(c): “Whoever knowingly or willfully gives false information as to his name, address or period of residence in the voting district for the purpose of establishing his eligibility to register or vote, or conspires with another individual for the purpose of encouraging his false registration to vote or illegal voting, or pays or offers to pay or accepts payment either for registration to vote or for voting shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both…” (Emphasis added.)
I mean, if it’s clearly illegal then can we, you know, apply the law?
checks Musk's net worth
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No.
Can we "eat" him then? Make it a big ol dinner party everyone invited.
He will claim is was a joke in court.
Cut out the media advertisers, bribe voters directly. Progress.
Put him behind bars for that and I start believing that the government takes this vote seriously.
It's not actually illegal. He is paying a lottery to people who register to vote. Similarly, Cards Against Humanity is paying people who didn't vote last election to make a voting plan.
It's illegal to pay someone to vote regardless of if it's for a side. Neither instance goes far enough to be considered against the law as written. Cards Against Humanity states that it shouldn't be and it's fucked up that it is.
You need to really read what CAH says... it's only paying you to apologize, make a plan to vote and post a comment about Trump on social media. Nome of that goes as far as this lottery.
It doesn't pay you to register to vote. I read the whole website when it started
I'm going to lower the bar:
If the government issues any sort of indictment in the next 3 weeks, I'll agree that they are taking it seriously. Even without bail.
Also this is just an illegal lottery
I mean, I guess I would take a million dollars from a deluded billionaire, but I would still vote for Harris.
None of the people they are trying to bribe will see money.
Everyone talking about how illegal this is but I doubt it is. It does not say you have a vote a certain way. You just have to be a voter and sign his petition to be illegible.
Eligible*
Thanks. I knew it looked wrong.
The comment is almost illegible. Funny!
i'm telling yall. this is a self defense situation.
This is a case where max jail time is needed. 5 years for each bribe.
Except he's not paying people to vote. I hate arguing for the guy, but what he's doing is not illegal. It should be, but it's not.
Cards against humanity is paying democrats in swing states who didn't vote last time to apologize, share something bad about trump, and make a voting plan. They're showing how far you can go and still be legal, saying it should be illegal.
Did you read the article..? They're saying it is illegal to offer money to register to vote.
Though maybe some of the other things Musk was doing were of murky legality, this one is clearly illegal. See 52 U.S.C. 10307(c): “Whoever knowingly or willfully gives false information as to his name, address or period of residence in the voting district for the purpose of establishing his eligibility to register or vote, or conspires with another individual for the purpose of encouraging his false registration to vote or illegal voting, or pays or offers to pay or accepts payment either for registration to vote or for voting shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both…” (Emphasis added.)
The article says what he's doing is clearly illegal, and backs it up with the law that he's violating. He's offering, through a lottery, a chance to receive payment in order to incentivize people to register to vote. CAH is probably treading close to the line, but I can't say it's clearly illegal. What Musk is described as doing seems to be pretty clearly illegal, to me.
Whoever knowingly or willfully gives false information as to his name, address or period of residence in the voting district for the purpose of establishing his eligibility to register or vote, or conspires with another individual for the purpose of encouraging his false registration to vote or illegal voting, or pays or offers to pay or accepts payment either for registration to vote or for voting shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both
Can you explain why you don't seem to think what Musk is doing is illegal?
Served consecutively, not concurrently
Exactly!
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