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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Every American made car I've owned has been a piece of shit constantly falling apart and needing repair and maintenance. I thought that's just how cars were for a while. Then I started buying Asian and German cars and realized Americans just can't make a good car.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago

It's all in whether management lets the engineers make a good product or pushes for cost reduction above all else. American made Toyotas are just fine.

A similar thing is true with Chinese made goods. Companies that care enough to implement proper process and quality controls can have perfectly adequate quality come out of Chinese factories. It's just that the companies that were quickest to export production cared more about minimizing every last cost than about quality.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I had an American-made 2001 Honda Civic that didn't start having significant problems until it was well over 100k miles. Had an American-made 2007 Accord that never had a major issue with 116,000 miles. Now have an American-made 2023 Integra, and I hope it fares the same.

Edit: but our American-made '96 Astro was a total piece of shit.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

I had two ford Tauruses and both were gems. However the Chevy Malibu Hatchback I had was garbage.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

98 Volkswagen Jetta. Rampant problems for everyone, not just me. Body molding falls off, window motors fail, water pump fail, wiper motor fail, 3 starters and an alternator, frame problem wearing out at the wheels, and the clear coat peeled.

When my third window motor failed, I drove my pregnant wife and her sister (who were in the car) to a dealer instead of whatever plans we had. I bought a Highlander on the spot and drove home in that. My wife drove that Highlander for 14 years.

I went from one extreme to the other! :)

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I had a 2006 Ford Taurus that would've been stronger if it was built with Legos. Water pump fell off one day - like... just... fell off. The brackets weren't broken or misshapen or anything like that, it just fell. None of the bolts were loose or unthreaded or anything. I know that doesn't make sense. I KNOW. It makes even less sense that it happened twice.

There was also some kind of electrical issue that I could never isolate, but it was causing fuses to blow out every couple months, and would burn out the starter about once a year. I had to replace that starter so many times that I stopped needing to refer to my Chilton book for the steps. Sometimes the power steering would just stop working and then start working again with no warning.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I can't recall the year, but it was a Dodge Aries K-car, to pin down the era. Jesus. It was a replacement for when my 1970 VW Beetle died in an accident. It was not as good as the Beetle, which says a lot.

I did once for a job briefly drive a Chevy Chevette. That might have been worse than the Aries.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

1985 Ford Tempo. Everything broke.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

I had a Pontiac Fiero. It really was terrible in every way but I love that piece of shit. It has been the only car I have owned that appreciated in value. I sold it for almost double what I paid less than a year after I bought it.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (5 children)

2016 Chevy Volt. Needs an EGR valve.

Chevy: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! No.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Maybe I'm totally wrong, but doesn't EGR stand for EXHAUST Gas Recirculation? Is the Volt a hybrid? I thought it was an EV and thus had no exhaust.

Edit: This was a joke, wasn't it?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

The Volt is a PHEV, I think the Bolt is the pure EV. I was considering its Vauxhall badged version years ago as a choice for a company car.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

The volt is hybrid both gas and electric

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

my 2011 toyota camry.

it's also the best car I've ever owned, probably because it's the only car I've ever owned.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I had an '82 Ford Escort. Those things were notorious for lunching the motor if the timing belt ever broke (which they did every 45,000 miles like clockwork) while you were traveling down the road. The valves would stop in whatever position they were in at that instant, and then the momentum of the car would keep the pistons moving up and down, bashing the piston tops in to whichever valves were unlucky enough to still be open, ruining pretty-much everything. At the same time I owned that car, my best friend owned an '82 Chevy Cavalier. We were constantly one-upping each other over who owned the biggest turd...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

To be fair, that's the expected outcome for any interference engine that loses the timing belt, which is almost all modern engines as far as I know. 45k is a really short lifespan for a timing belt though :/

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (3 children)

A ten year old 1995 Kia Sportage. All sorts of electrical problems, the four wheel drive didn't work and I could never figure out why.

I will say the engine was surprisingly durable. I got it stuck in the mud and a friend of a friend tried to help get it unstuck by trying to drive it out, but only managed to get it stuck deeper and cracked the block. I had to add new coolant every day, but I drove that car gor another 6 months with a cracked block and only had to spend a few minutes trying to coax the engine to start when it was cold.

Pro tip: Never buy the first year of any car, even used.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

An Audi TT.

FUCK Audi. Never again. Nothing but problems with that heap of shit, and repairs cost more than I paid for the car.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Hyundai sonata 2017

The door hinges do not hold the doors open. If the car is on a slight incline or a very slight wind the doors will slam shut. Better not have an arm or leg in the way.

The rear view mirror is set so low in the window that it blocks view of front right of the window.

The seats are hard as rocks. You can literally feel a metal bar that goes left to right through the seat. It’s right under your butt.

I’ll never buy another Hyundai again. Zero chance.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

I’ve only owned two cars. So the worst by default was a 1987 Ford Laser I owned in 2003.

It was the β€œGhia” model. So central locking, sun roof. My uncle had modified the wheels, steering wheel, carbon shifter.

I actually loved it and it handled so well on gravel roads. But eventually the cv joints went, repaired, they went again, leaving me stranded 30km out of the nearest town.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Not a direct answer, but if you ever get a chance - go walk around a self-serve junkyard. This is where cars go when they finally just aren't worth fixing anymore. It is eye opening. There are cars that you will still consider 'new' that have already given up the ghost (mainly Dodge/Chrysler, Hyundai/Kia, & Nissan). And you can't help but think - WTF are these cars doing here, aren't these still for sale at the dealership?

Conversely, there are also cars there so old you hardly recognize them (usually Honda, Toyota, and full size pickups from Ford/GM).

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

A 2011 GMC Terrain. It burned oil like none other. The power steering would occasionally just not work upon starting the car, requiring me to turn it off and on again a several times. Sometimes, I'd stop at a red light, the engine would die, and when I'd restart it it'd go into limp mode. And traction control and AWD would occasionally just give out, which can be dangerous where I live due to ice and snow.

The thing was a hazard and GMC and all associated brands can fuck right off.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

In 2003 I learned to drive in a 1986 Hyundai Pony. The breaking point was when I got a stop sign on a slight incline and my dad had to get out while I floored it so the car could get moving again.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

The car I had the most trouble with wasn't because it was a bad car, but because it kept getting trashed. VW Cabriolet convertible. Bought it when I got my first real job out of school.

One week after driving it off the lot, parked on a busy city street, someone slashed the roof and tore out the stereo. Fixed it all up. Insurance rate went up. Six months later, knife through the roof AND a smashed window. Stereo gone. Switched to a removable, pull-out stereo. Still got broken into.

Had dozens of slashes/smashes. At one point, just left the door locks open. Nothing to take. Someone slept in the back seat (left food wrappers) and pilfered through the ashtray where I kept loose change.

Loved driving it with the top down, but what a pain it was to fix.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

2008 Dodge Avenger. Believe it or not, it was that 2008 Dodge Avenger.

I hated every inch of that car. It was big without any of the benefits a car might have from being big. No power at all, pretty bad on gas. Didn't have a very comfortable road feel or suspension. Every inch of the car was cheap. I drove it for a long time and towards the end, around 100,000 miles, everything in the car felt like it was malfunctioning.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Other half had a Peugeot 206. Thing was an economic write off at 10 years old with barely 100,000 kms on the odometer. Endless problems every service, high chance of stranding you. Interior falling apart, paint peeling off etc. Quality control must have been non existent.

Worst car I've ever driven would be a 2021 Mitsubishi outlander hire car. The way it handled corners felt downright dangerous, weak engine with awful CVT. Average park bench has more comfort than the seats. Sometimes in my career I get a feeling of imposter syndrome, but I can look at a car like the outlander and say thank fuck I'm not at daft as the arseholes responsible for that abomination.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

A Mitsubishi Colt I bought from a guy in a scrapyard for Β£50 because my Allegro had just been stolen and I needed something quick to get to work. He told me it had an MOT and to come back the next day to pick it up (in the days before it was online) He wasn't there. It was the rustiest POS ever - bits kept falling off, you could see the road in several places through the floor. Engine was good but that was the only thing. In a lifetime of exercising Bangernomics, that was the stand out terrible car.

Most I've lost on a car was a more recent Shogun. Bought for Β£7,500, cost Β£2000 in repairs then had a lot more pending. Sold for Β£1400 in less than a year.

[–] DaleGribble88 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

2002 ford explorer. You don't see many 20 year old cars on the road at all, but that thing was already a rare sight by 2012 when I ignorantly bought mine.

After owning that pile of scrap for 2 or 3 years, when the 2nd transmission gave way and the front left suspension just sorta collapsed in on itself, I was left surprised that any of those cars survived beyond 2003.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

I had a little Mazda B2200 truck for a while. The gauges didn't work so I had no idea how much gas I had, how hot it was, or how fast I was going. And it leaked everything, gas included. Thing only actually got me to where I was going half the time.

Gave it to a friend and he fixed it up

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

I e only ever had Japanese cars, and they’ve all been great. A Nissan, a Toyota, and a Subaru.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Without a doubt, that would be the first car I ever owned, a Renault 21 2.0 diesel that was about 12 years old when I bought it in 1999 of thereabouts, for slightly north of € 1000.

It had some rust, but the worst part about it was that it was slow as molasses. It would do 0-100kph in 25 seconds on a good day, with a top speed of 125 on the speedometer. I laughingly called that my highway cruise control 😁

At the same time, I have very fond memories of that car, as it allowed me to visit my then girlfriend (and current wife), and had loads of cargo space. It also handled speed bumps incredibly well, so I didn't really need to slow down for them. It also helped that I never had any reliability issues with that thing, until it was totaled.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

A 1991 Ford Sierra that I bought for 100,- from a friend because I needed a car quickly. This car was already promised to be shipped to Nigeria, where Europe dumps all the old cars. It still had 3 months until the next savety inspection, which the car certainly would have failed.

The engine was still OK, but the car had some electrical issues. When using the turn signal first, and then using the brake pedal, all lights and electrical load were going bonkers, resulting in flickering and failure. The car had to be stopped and the key had to be removed in order to switch it off. Then the car could be started again and one could resume driving.

In order to avoid this issues, it was crucial to use the break pedal first, and then the turning signal, right before turning. This way the electrical issues ware not that severe - the issues stopped, wenn dis-enganging the turn signal.

Also, the doors central locking system was not working properly. Only the passenger door was operational. When I wanted to get the trunk hatch to open, I had to unlock the passenger's door, reach inside to open the driver's door from the inside. Then I had to walk around to fully open the driver's door in order to pull the lever for the trunk hatch that is located next to the driver's seat.

I only had this car for two months. One day I put the car into neutral at a traffic light. After that, there was a strange noise. I put it into first gear and the clutch refused to connect to the power train. The clutch failed, the car couldn't be moved by its own. It went to the scrap yard.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

35 y/o orange Opel Kadett. Would stall when cornering. Funily enough at the same time also the best car I owned. Fixed it once using the belt from my pants. Belt was on there for years.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Probably my 2008 Suzuki Reno. It's coolant system was made of such brittle crumbly plastic that it would crack and leak out all the coolant, and I didn't realize this at first I didn't know to look for it, so I get off the highway after driving 20 miles just in time for huge plumes of white smoke to be coming out of the front of my car.

I got it fixed only for it to crack again and leak again. And it became this nightmare of whack a mole where I'm constantly adding coolant, constantly checking my temperature gauge, constantly bringing it in to be fixed.

And then the whole engine died on the highway and I had to pull over while driving to my new job.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

The one I’ve got at the minute, a Seat Leon (mark 4); it’s built on top of VWs MQB platform and honestly it’s a piece of shit.

The list of issues is as long as my arm: The reversing beeper gets stuck, the graphics don’t draw on top of the reversing camera, plugging a phone in stops playback, the shitty entertainment system crashes, keyless entry gets shy when it rains, the emergency alerting system throws a fit if it loses mobile signal, there’s no light on critical controls in the dark, the interior light sometimes can’t be switched off, the cruise control gets confused about which side of the road it’s driving on and doesn’t want to overtake another car (it thinks it’s undertaking), the speed limiter is hiding behind UI 4 steps, the clutch jumps when cold etc etc.

Every month I discover a new niggle. This is the third Seat I’ve owned (having previously loved my two Seat Leons) and will most definitely be my last VW group car ever. What a piece of trash.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Not owned personally but my mom's '99 Fiat Punto I used to drive in high school was awful. 60 drunk donkeys under the hood, 0-60 of eventually, brakes that yanked it to the right if you were too aggressive on them and a battery that went flat in a few days if you didn't drive the car. It also had the tendency to just keep revving up when in neutral until you either put it in gear and engage the clutch or shut off the engine.

Anyway, I still have fond memories of that car. Going down mountain roads was fun because it was very slow, but super light, so you could just keep the throttle pinned for the most part and the rotted out muffler made it sound like a racecar lmao.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

2003 Mitsubishi Galant. Just thoroughly mediocre-to-bad in literally every regard one might care about. It did get me from point A to point B.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

1990s Plymouth Caravan

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Jeep. Not owned but have rented two. First one was a 2022 Compass. The electric system died mid highway. Never recovered fully. Second was a 2024 Ranger. A true shit box. After a week having it I despised that piece of shit.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Vw jetta I think an '02. The interior was nice but it fell apart pretty quick. It ran great until almost exactly 80k miles. At that point, so much stuff started breaking all at once that I lost count. Forget even trying to work on them, I had to use so many specialized tools that were made specific to VW. I couldn't get rid of that car fast enough.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Ironically, a Toyota. Specifically, my 1994 4Runner (that's from back when they were still the same as the famous indestructible Hilux, BTW). I've owned it since just before the pandemic and still haven't managed to get it to run right yet. It's been parked for months because I can't find any mechanic willing to touch it.

The lesson here is that when people say the 3VZE is the one bad engine Toyota made, believe them. The most common advice I've read for fixing it is "rip it out and swap in a 5VZE," which I'm seriously considering.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

I had a passat for 3 days when the engine almost exploded going over a bridge from engine sludge. I loved my Ranger and hate to speak ill of it, but it was a ford. I kept a full wrench set and spare parts under the jump seats. Most parts I've ever changed on a car and some repeatedly. Ultimately gave in to its unfixable head warp.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Back in about '89-'90 I was the assistant manager at a fast oil change place, and we had a regular customer with a maroon '76 Aspen with a bullet-proof slant-six who got his oil changed with us regularly. I could hear him coming. I'd know it was him without even looking because of the distinctive TAP-TAP-TAP -TAP-TAP-TAP-TAP. We'd pull him in and he'd tell us to just change the oil and filter and don't bother checking all that other stuff, so that's what we'd do. We'd pull the plug and if more than a half a quart drained out we'd be surprised. After a filter swap, we'd fill it back up and restart it and it would go TAP-TAP-TAP-TAP-tap-tap-tap-ta-ta-ta-t-t-t-t-t-t-t- etc and he'd smile and pay and be on his way. Of course, we'd see him again in about 3 or 4 months, same thing, rinse and repeat. The tapping was his signal to get it changed. Fast forward to '97, after working as a manager at other locations I came back to that same station as the manager there and I'll be damned if that same guy in that same '76 Aspen didn't pull in for the same service with that same oil-leaking loud-ass tapping slant-six, still hanging in there...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (6 children)

A 2018 VW Passat GTE. It isn't bad, but it's the only car I've ever owned.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

A 2003 Chevrolet S10. Had it since it was brand new, it's been almost perfectly reliable. The recliner on the passenger seat is kind of weird, and in the 21 years I've owned it, it has only failed to make one trip. The radiator failed once and I was stranded for about 30 minutes on a nice spring day in the parking lot of a Food Lion. It's showing some wear after a couple decades but it starts, it runs, it's comfortable, it hauls any cargo I need, it's not tremendously big for a pickup truck so it's easy to park...I fully intend for that truck to be my hearse. Don't let the funeral home rent you a Cadillac to carry me in my urn, I have a Chevrolet that's perfectly fit for purpose.

It's the worst car I've ever owned because it is the only car I've ever owned.

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