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When Gmail first appeared in 2004, the idea of having what seemed like a never-ending space for email was revolutionary. Most paid services were providing a few megabytes of space, and here came Google promising a full gigabyte (which, at the time, seemed huge) for free.

Over the years, however, Gmail has added a plethora of features that it touts as “improvements” but some of them are irritating. Worse, it looks for ads for things that it will never need and sticks them at the top of email list.

Back in the dark ages before Gmail, Yahoo Mail, and other free cloud-based apps, most email happened either via paid services or inside of walled gardens. In the former, you paid a service provider for an email account and downloaded your email into an app that only lived on your computer — an app with a name like Pine, Eudora, Pegasus Mail, or Thunderbird.

For the most part, nobody was scanning your email to find out the last time you bought shoes, or whether you were shopping for car insurance, or that you had recently been buying gifts for a relative’s new baby. Nobody was taking that information and selling it to vendors so they could drop ads into your email lists or surprise you with additional promotional messages. Your email lived on your computer alone. Once it was downloaded and erased from the server, it was just yours — to save or erase or lose.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 36 minutes ago

We started using more than one device and web accessed mail became the norm. POP3 still exists and you can use mail clients and delete everything off the server. Come to think of it, maybe we can then use syncthing to sync the mail across all other devices? Maybe?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

So you could just use Email in these archaic programs called Thunderbird etc. If you really wanted to use gmail. You know, without adds, without the need for an ad blocker, without AI recommendations and at your leisure.

But hey, you'd have to install something on your computer for that.... how horrible.

And who uses computers for work anyway, you can just write your essay on a tablet. (but there are also email apps on those)

It's a shittier way to work but hey it's easier.

[–] purplemonkeymad 5 points 2 hours ago

One of the nice things about Gmail at the time, was that you could access your emails when not home. If you were at a friend's or on holiday at a net café, all you needed was to know your email and password.

That sounds silly, but at the time the majority of ISP mailboxes were pop only. Or those Webmails you could get were attached to what you would now think of comically small mailboxes. Full history Webmail added a convenience we didn't get before.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

I'm selfhosting my email (Stalwart Server) and I'm happy!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Who else doesn't see ads in Gmail? I never have and have been using it since its inception.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

on the other two inbox tabs sometimes, promotions and updates. just checked, saw one in the app for Verizon in promotions.

I use Firefox with ublock origin and pihole, blocking over 1 million sites.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I do on the browser version not the mobile

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

even in Promotions and Updates tabs?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

(and got royally pissed at Google for sunsetting its cool Inbox app).

inbox was amazing! closing down the project radicalized me against everything google touched from that point forward lol

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

Fr. I was so upset when they axed inbox. I found an alternative, but iirc you can't bring your own email or something like that.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

How people will accept having their entire lives scanned, categorised and sold off to the highest bidder is beyond me. Fastmail - or any other paid product - for the win.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

How people will accept having their entire lives scanned, categorised and sold off to the highest bidder is beyond me

Me too. It was painfully obvious what Google will do once they launched Gmail and I never used it because of that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

cutting ads out of your life cuts them off at the ankles. so what if they know in some database that I bought something, I don't see their ads, so it's useless info.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago

This is why the dark ages line is only half true. Paying for what you consume is normal anywhere else. Bringing that back to the internet would be a good thing IMO.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Absolutely!

I pay for Tuta, and it works great! I pay €3.60 because I haven't fully committed, and I'll probably prepay a year to get that down to €3/month. It's really not that expensive, and I get to use my own domain as well (so [email protected]).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

I've been slowly trying to claw my workspace email back to my Gmail account so I can stop paying for workspace and move it to proton, unfortunately I have a metric buttload of Android apps and Google auth wrapped around my workspace emails.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 17 hours ago

Imagine using a google service. Do yourselves a favor and use anything else, even outlook, over Google.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

as long as they keep gemini out of it enough for me not to notice, fine

[–] [email protected] 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 15 hours ago

pretty sure theyve already got that one

[–] [email protected] 18 points 23 hours ago

And Hotmail deleted all my emails after not signing in for some period, twice. Then, I just stick with gmail since the early days until now.

[–] [email protected] 239 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (26 children)

What gmail did to email, was provide an insanely good spam filter compared to others. It was in their best interest to keep everyones ads out of your email except their own.

To this very day, I know nobody - NOBODY - who even comes close to Gmail's spam filtering capability.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

To this very day, I know nobody - NOBODY - who even comes close to Gmail’s spam filtering capability.

I disagree. Perhaps you need hard evidence for a claim like that.

I have a gmail account, and a proton mail account. My gmail account is packed with spam. It has so much spam its crazy. The account is basically unusable. Which is fine, because I no longer trust google. It's been years since I've told anyone to use this account.

On the other hand, I can count on one hand the number of times I've got a spam message in my inbox on protonmail. In fact, I remember. It's 2. The account isn't as old, but I've used it to sign up for at least as many things. It's my main account now - partially because I've turned anti-google, but also because its not choked by mountains of junk.

(To be fair, I suspect the main reason that my gmail account is so bad is that it has a popular username, and other people have accidentally signed up for things with my email accidentally instead of their own. Nevertheless, the fact is that the gmail is spam-central, and the protonmail account is clean.)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

The Gmail spam filter filters out emails from Google, half the 2FA authentication emails I get, things I've actively subscribed to and hit "not spam" on several times, and does not block "You've won a Home Depot gift card!" from [email protected]

[–] [email protected] 6 points 13 hours ago

So far, Proton has been doing a better job than Google ever did for me. Especially considering that they don't even read my mail content, that is genuinely impressive to me

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They regularly filter first emails from my self-hosted domain to friends. So clearly they know jack shit and just go overboard on false positives. Google is full of pieces of shit.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

https://support.google.com/a/answer/81126?hl=en

Did you set up SPF and DKIM? It helps Google know you are not a spammer.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago

I just checked - SPF is set up. I had never heard about DKIM, but I checked, and it's also enabled. So as I said, google is just full of shiteaters.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago

They would also filter out a newsletter I signed up to that I actually wanted to read.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Even Thunderbird has a better spam filter after you train it for a few days.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

I mean, if anybody knows what an ad looks like, it's Google.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I am using my mail provider's standard filter and at most I get 5 mails per week that make it through. And that's with my mail being publicly available on my personal website. Not sure what sort of sites people sign up for, but spam has never been an issue, even away from Google.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

I've had 1 spam email get through in like...15 years on Gmail. 5 per week is absolutely atrocious, in my honest opinion.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

AT MOST 5 a week and there are also weeks where I receive none at all. Interestingly it always seems to be the same type of spam from different adresses so there is probably a bot net somewhere that has my address and every month or so when the owners start a new wave I get a few and thats it.

On the other hand how many false positives have you had to pick out of the bin?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago

Maybe 1 every 2 years or so?

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Odd not a single mention of hotmail in there the original web based email service which arguably was the one of the prime options till gmail offered way more storage.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 day ago (9 children)

When I left college, my university closed my email account. That sucked, but I moved on. Then the paid service I used closed down, so I had to change again. That sucked. I lost access to my Xbox Live account because they send all my "update password" emails to that old address and won't update to my new address without confirming the change on an email that no longer exists.

Now I've had the same email address for 17 years and really really don't want to move on, even though I hate that it is with Google. They went from "don't be evil" to "be as evil as possible."

[–] [email protected] 12 points 22 hours ago

I bought a custom domain and use it with Proton. If Proton shuts down or something I can easily use the same domain with another provider.

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