You had literally decades to develop cheap EVs.
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The arrogance is astounding. They still act like their ICE are current technology.
Nuh Uh! Reducing emissions is more important than your fucking job you fucked up so hard in. It was your job to build up strategies to reduce the impact of 2035. Yet what did you do? Nothing, just the same shit.
Fuck you and SΓΆder!
Fucking fucked shit fuck
You may be overdoing it. :)
I think itβs the perfect amount of fuck.
Oh sorry. It, anger, just came over me :(
THERE IS NO GODDAMN PETROL ENGINE BAN.
There is a ban on engines though that can't run without creating additional CO2 emissions from 2035 though. Tough luck for fossil engines in their current configurations, but not unsolvable for the very special applications where they'll still be needed.
Even better: given that the Chinese automotive industry is highly invested in EVs whereas the demand for (premium) ICE cars is largely provided by foreign companies such as BMW, have a good guess whether China will switch its own market rules accordingly when it sees time fit for its own industry.
They've already done that to a large degree which is why VW and others are already feeling down:
- Beijing and other big cities use a lottery system to limit car registrations. The majority of lottery tickets are already for BEVs and hybrids.
- Exhaust emissions requirements already go beyond Euro 7, making it impossible to sell most built-for-EU cars in China.
- There is some kind of NEV (New Energy Vehicle) incentive and afaik, that only goes to Chinese cars. I'm not sure whether it's enough for the car to be built in China or whether it needs to be from a Chinese-owned brand as well.
Iβm not sure whether itβs enough for the car to be built in China or whether it needs to be from a Chinese-owned brand as well.
Given that you cannot build cars in China without having to go into a joint venture with a Chinese company that probably won't matter much to them.. :)
These morons never look beyond the next quarterly results. Even if the EU still allows ICE cars, they won't be competitive on the world market. That means that the EU has its little island, where the incumbents still get to pollute the world and fleece their customers but the rest of the world market (except the US) will belong to China.
With Northvolt purportedly(!) demonstrating that even EU battery production can apparently be thwarted by a Chinese tooling company sabotaging, there's probably some reason to panic.
I suspect though that the only way for EU-based car companies to find out how to refine battery materials and to produce battery cells, at scale, is to lure Chinese companies to the EU and learn from them for the next couple years. They should know that strategy very well β it's exactly the way their Chinese JVs worked out.
Of course there's reason to panic. Every independent expert has been shouting from the rooftops for the last decade at least, that the EU are falling behind in battery technology. But politics and industry have been in denial and are completely incapable of long term planning. So now they wake up and start panicking.
With Northvolt purportedly(!) demonstrating that even EU battery production can apparently be thwarted by a Chinese tooling company sabotaging
Is there a source for that?
There is, but it's a Swedish politics blog and even they threw in that they couldn't check the claims. So not exactly a good source. See this thread: https://lemmy.world/comment/12445221
Nothing direct that I can find:
If I'm not mistaken, BYD is already building factories in the EU. Probably assembly and not battery though.
Maybe BMW should use its Goebbels connections to get some batteries from Varta....
Ah! Weβll be less reliant on China, when we hold on to old technology and let them do the progress thing. Interesting thinking. Wouldnβt want to work in this guyβs company.
Letβs move forward not backwards? Can someone from the world department fire this loser? Oh and also tell china to stop fucking around.
Thanks, but no thanks. Next.
Back in July this year, the chairman of US carmaker Ford in Germany insists on the end for combustion engines in the EU.
I only found an article in German, here is a summary in English:
The chairman of the supervisory board of the US-based car manufacturer Ford in Germany, Gunnar Herrmann, stronlgy warned against a reversal of the planned end of sales for new cars with combustion engine in 2035 in the EU. "If you believe in prosperity, growth and the future, then leave the goals as they are," Herrmann told the "Bild" newspaper. Otherwise, the automotive industry location of Germany as a whole is also at risk.
Those who still demanded a change in the intended drive to electric cars proved above all that they "have no strategy" and "now pray to the good God that they can continue the old stuff", said Herrmann. Anyone who wants to stop the development would endanger the site, because "then the cars will come from China".
He's right. Some autos (and governments) have done enormous long-term investments towards electrification in an attempt to meet these requirements. Battery factories, assembly plants retooling, etc. Ford is one of them. BMW is not.
I watched the interview he did with Bild and his interviewer constantly tried to push him in the direction of electric vehicles bad.
This is Springer media.