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Damn, that's fucked up, sounds like the democrats should do something other then support genocidal states if they want that support so desperately.
This one weird trick will make white libs cry.
"will vote against Harris" (read: for trump, because that is how our trash elections work) "Neither side will do the right thing on the genocide...so we will elect the one with the worst position and get a bonus of bringing about all manner of horrible outcomes here at home too!"
Alrighty, it's your vote. MAGA uses it to make emotionally driven decisions based on ignorance for outcomes that hurt themselves and those around them, it is fair to let these well-meaning clowns join them in that. Our very own blueMAGA. I hope you lose in a mind-shattering crushing defeat, and then Kamala proves you all wrong. I have my doubts on the last bit, but if y'all can be stupid enough to vote for trump, I can be the same to hope for unlikely change (with the benefit of not also supporting suffering here too).
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You should educate yourself by reading The Problem of Political Leadership in the Formation and Development of the Nation and the Modern State in Italy from Gramsci's Prison Notebooks and studying trasformismo in Italian history instead of infantilizing an entire marginalized group over their justified stance against the system currently genociding their friends and family 👍 trust me, you'll learn a lot about our current political situation.
They aren't voting for Trump, but Claudia De La Crúz and Jill Stein.
Yup every vote that isn't for Kamala is less votes the other side has to get to win. All for someone that has zero chance. That is voting for trump by proxy. GJ 👍
A vote for Harris is a vote for Trump!
That would make sense if there were ranked choice voting.
there isn't, though
Ranked choice will not save anyone, nor is it even going to be established in the US.
It could be if enough people pushed for it, like they should, since it's objectively better in every way from first past the post, and would actually make doing things like this work.
How does that translate into reality? More people want Medicare For All and legalized weed, and even abortion rights. It isn't as simple as saying "it could be if enough people pushed for it," the parties don't operate on public will.
Do you believe no legislation has ever been passed due to public will?
I believe what drives the direction of the parties is maintaining their position and appeasing their donors. Legislation that fits popular will but goes against the former drives, like RCV, are a fantasy.
https://thefga.org/research/ranked-choice-voting-partisan-plot-to-disrupt-elections/
Great, it works out for the democrats, we just need it to be popular.
It doesn't, really. You'll see when it fizzles out.
Additonally, we can see even in other countries with RCV that it doesn't majorly improve things, RCV isn't a panacea, the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie still dominates the electoral system.
I never said it was a panacea, I said you'd be able to vote for better candidates without risk, currently it makes no sense to vote for candidates that have no chance of winning.
if it fizzles out It'll be because of republicans, that many bills in that short of a time is not insignificant
i don't understand why you're arguing against ranked choice, it's objectively and obviously better than fptp
do vou think voting jill stein has a higher chance of success even though it's mathematically impossible?
if everyone doing that instead pushed for ranked choice, maybe you'd get some actual long term results instead of just throwing your vote away
I'm not arguing against RCV, I'm arguing against the idea that
1: it will ever pass, and
2: the idea that if it passed, it would change anything.
Revolution is necessary, something you'd think was obvious given your username.
It's probably best not to bother - these people want things as shitty as possible as fast as possible to make the revolution happen sooner or some shit
Well idk how Harris can possibly think that videos of her being “slay” and “brat” will fool people who are against genocide into siding with her. It’s very fucked up and Trump is going to be much worse for domestic politics, but I think at this point Arabs have nothing to lose. Also I don’t think many of them would for Trump, they’d rather vote third party or not at all.
Seeing yourself dehumanized on a daily basis by the current administration I wouldn’t give a shit either. They have already shown what they stand for and they promised to continue. If the dems lose against Trump, it’s their own fault. They know what to do, they need to stop the genocide, but they won’t and Arab voters see that.
Trump is gonna suck but that dipshit only cares about money and personal flattery, which adds the element of unpredictability. He’s mostly likely going to be even worse than Biden because he won’t give a shit about Palestinians, but any random shit could happen that makes him do a u-turn. I don’t think it’s likely but it’s the only good thing I could see coming out of this.
He’s mostly likely going to be even worse than Biden because he won’t give a shit about Palestinians
Biden also does not give a shit about Palestinians. I don't know how anyone can watch the happenings of the last year and come away with the idea that Biden gives a single shit about Palestinians.
Yeah you’re absolutely right and I actually never meant to say that Biden gives any shit about Palestinians, I just formulated this in a stupid way. Maybe this is a better formulation:
He’s mostly likely going to be even worse than Biden. But while he also won’t give a shit about Palestinians, any random shit could happen that makes him do a u-turn. I don’t think it’s likely but it’s the only good thing I could see coming out of this.
true, I agree! he's very unpredictable. apologies for coming off as aggressive, I think everyone is running at very high tensions these days.
the stark contrast between the .world version of this post and this one makes me doubt that the lemmyverse has any stamina.
You mean the reaction (downvotes) in the .world instances, right?
I think the contrast reflects the real diversity of opinions, and not lack of stamina. Of course I am disappointed with the downvotes and the hostile comments to anything that might oppose Harris. But the level of discourse in Lemmy is a lot better than Twitter, FB, etc.
So I'm going to keep posting these to as many communities as I can. :-)
It's becoming multipolar, with right-wingers on the Lemmy.world side and left wingers on the Lemmy.ml side, and the various instances aligned with each and neither. The Lemmy.world moderators are also Zionists that allow hasbara but censor comments that show the complicity of the Democrats in genocide as "misinformation."
I agree that .world is problematic especially that Zionist “bias” checker bot and their tolerance of hasbara comments & genocide denial. But also I got banned for “racism” at [email protected] for saying China is committing genocide against the Uyghurs…
I'd recommend doing a search on lemmy.ml, lemmygrad, or hexbear on that. The only countries that have been pushing this line, are the countries that bomb muslims, and refuse to visit the region.
Muslim countries themselves, and the rest of the world, all of whom have sent delegations, deny that a genocide is occurring.
I know those communities and I don’t share their view on the situation, and it’s really not because I don’t have any connection to China.
So you trust what the ppl bombing arabs have to say, over the arab countries themselves? Why?
Being from a country that is essentially a dictatorship and where rivaling factions have been competing over who gets to govern and who are the good / bad guys depending on whether they’re backed by Russia or the US I came to realize they’re all full of shit.
Whether it’s the USA, UK, Germany, France, Russia, China, Iran, they’re all led by psychopaths who instrumentalize suffering for their own political gain.
I don’t know where you’re getting that bit about Arabs from because in Xinjiang they’re Uyghurs, not Arabs. And just because China poses a much needed counterweight to Western imperialism I won’t ignore that they’re the same murderous psychopaths just with a different agenda.
To me, any kind of nationalism is a cancer and if you ask me, the concept of nations and borders should be abolished, because I haven’t ever seen a functioning nation that is actually for the people instead of a ruling class.
Its more that you have internalized an pessimistic imperialist talking-point: your own country is run by sociopaths, and they tell you that every other country is too (whether they justify it being the natural order of things, realpolitik, or anything else. You should be even more skeptical when US leaders point at all their enemies and call them psychopaths, considering how many innocent people the US has and continues to murder. Essentially this meme:
In reality there are very few countries that exploit others, most want to work together politically and economically to better the lives of their people. Even the poorer capitalist countries, which are the majority, often have earnest leaders who are trying their best to escape the low-wage trap the imperialist countries have forced on them.