tbh if they do server side ads I'd be glad knowing that it costs them too much that they should be glad they're not losing money by ads, which I think they will.
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This is just wrong. None of those will prevent server side ads.
What's funny to me is how they are in a fight for their company with the FTC, and they want to continue provoking people by increasing their revenue on the back of their users on a service they might have a technical monopoly on? Hmmmm...
Provoking people and in dispute with FTC don’t relate but if the FTC broke them up then you would really regret not cashing in while you could
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If they put the ads in the stream, you can just fast-forward. I don’t think it’ll work out well for Google.
This is something they are really good at, refining code until it does work well for Google.
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Unless I'm mistaken, none of those will block server-side ads.
They can block some kinds of server-side ads. And if google has those already, they have been quite successful against youtube.
But yeah, they won't block all server-side ads.
Not yet
IIRC, Twitch uses similar ad injection. Ad blockers get around it by opening new video streams until they find one that isn't running an ad. Could be wrong though, I'm parroting an uncited comment.
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Isn't there some law that you have to visually indicate whether a given piece of content is sponsored (ad) or not? Can't that just be detected by ad blockers to skip/hide ads?
There isn't a law that I'm aware of, but typically the ad needs to be un-skippable/seek-able, which means there will always be some indication to the video player of what the user can skip or fast forward through.
That doesn't mean Google couldn't just make fast forwarding/seeking a premium feature, but they'd lose a lot of user appeal if they did so they probably wouldn't do that
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I'm not sure about the mechanism, but isn't this the same thing as ancient early DVR's like TiVo that would record from the cable stream and omit the ads segments?
That's the thing, I don't think the mechanism exists (or works) yet. I'm confident it will someday, but I didn't think it worked yet.
You can adblock twitch, I assume it wouldn't be too different from that
Twitch (and YouTube currently) switches to a new content stream to play an ad, which is easy to detect and block in an extension. If I understand the tech correctly, server side ads would be stitched into the playing content stream. The extension would have to know the content of the video to know that an ad is playing. There are some clever ways that might be caught (looking for spikes in bitrate, volume differences, etc), but none of that currently exists in the software in the OP.
You can click on the ad right? Detect that.
Let's assume you can use that to determine the beginning of an ad, how do you know how much to skip?
Until the clickable part is gone.
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The problem is when they start doing in stream ads, that will require something new. That said, people have been doing that with cable for a while, it'll be real interesting to see what clever stuff comes out to detect them in stream
It'll require a new mother fucking video platform. We need to just collectively let YouTube die and move on.
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This is something that would be a surprisingly good use case for machine learning. Fingerprint the ads by watching ahead in the stream, then skip that section.
Actually, I think older algorithmic methods will work. I think that’s how TiVo worked. The annoying part is you’ll have to wait a bit at the start of the video.
Audio is stupidly easy to fingerprint and identify. It would be glorious if we used the very same dumbass technology to identify ad segments as they use to robo-copyright-claim creators for including a 11 second snippet of a radio ad that's period authentic to the historical media they're reviewing. Just take that shit and turn it right against them.
I assume something similar to sponsor block, some algorithm to identify ad segments and some user feedback to confirm. Unless I’m mistaken as to how sponsor block works?
Sponser block works via user input
People will watch the videos, report the segments that are sponser slots, and then when people watch the video they can upvote or downvote the accuracy of the report.
In stream ads would be a hard one to tackle because YouTube would likely inject them randomly into the stream to boost engagement (readas, prevent people skipping them easily).
if they were randomly placed, then couldnt you have a sponsor-block type system where instead of the ad segments being marked and skipped, information about the video is externally stored somewhere (like perhaps a really low res screenshot of the video every couple seconds, or some number generated algorithmically by a frame of video), and the results should be the same for all users for the actual video part, but if the ads are placed randomly, the ad section will suddenly not match the data other users had, prompting the video to skip until it matches again (with a buffer included if they remove the ability to move forward)
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In that case the ads are video only, no clicking on them, including to skip or anything else. So it would be detecting that trying to change where you are in the video doesn't change anything (and exclusively playing via your 3 second buffer)
Peertube is holding the folded chair ready for action
I have serious doubt's but it seems to be the best option right now
I love how people will complain about ads on YouTube and then go on to complain that PeerTube sucks because "who's going to pay the hosting fees?" 🙄 For the record I like PeerTube but Android clients are ass right now
That's not my biggest complaint. The problem is it isn't being pushed forward. It needs some serious work to even be remotely compared to YouTube.
It is getting better but I don't think the current leadership is agrees I've enough. I'd like to see it move to its own legal entity with dedicated budgeting. They need to raise some serious money to get competitive. Developers are expensive but they do much better work than a few French guys.
not pictured: the pihole just out of frame, holding a shotgun
How do you use Pihole to block YouTube ads?
You can't. I have no idea what this person is talking about.
Block youtube.com. Quite effective, if you ask me.
all these people missing the part where I said "holding a shotgun" -- I guarantee you'll never see a YouTube ad again if no data from their servers ever gets past your router. It's not a subtle or precise option, but it is highly effective. Much like a shotgun.
Then you can just use peertube or invidious.
Invidious is currently out of order. Not sure if they would be able to cut out the ads.
never underestimate the tenacity and ingenuity of spiteful pirates. It's been a while since I last used invidious, but I can't imagine it being permanently broken. in the meantime -- Piped, then?
If things get real stupid, we might have to employ AI to identify and strip ads from videos before mirroring. edit: Someone has, in fact, already trained an AI to identify ads in a video, with apparently 97.4% accuracy. So, the hard part's already been done.
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