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I read that half of Americans couldn’t cover an unexpected $1,000 expense. This sounds crazy to me. I understand that poverty exists, but the idea that an adult with a job doesn’t even have that amount saved up seems really strange.

What’s your relationship or philosophy with money? What do you credit for your financial success, or alternatively, what do you blame for your failures?

For the extra brave ones: how much savings do you have, and what are you planning to do with them?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Ever read Miller's Death of a Salesman? well it's almost like that, but without any insurance.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

I made a few bad moves in my 20s because I had no basis of understanding when it came to money (parents are bad with money too and never taught me anything useful), have spent my 30s desperately treading water trying to get ahead, but it seems impossible with rent going through the roof, food going crazy, plus now I have medical debt on top of my school debt... my really big mistake was wanting to help people by becoming a social worker.

What pisses me off the most is that if you're a plumber you get to walk in and demand whatever price you feel like, but if you're someone who helps society, society gets to cram it up your ass and tell you to smile about it. Same goes for anyone who works for society: teachers, cops, firefighters, EMTs, social workers, librarians, nurses, etc... I don't get why we don't all just join together and let society fucking die until they agree to pay us what we're really worth.

Edit: to clarify, I'm not saying plumbers aren't helping society. I'm saying when inflation goes up, plumber's prices go up to match... If you're being paid by tax money, you don't get to do that. Nothing against plumbers, it was just an example.

Everyone is getting fucked in our capitalist nightmare, but if you work for Walmart, WALMART investors are fucking you over... If you work for any of those jobs I listed above, SOCIETY is fucking you over (yes, I get that at the end of the day it's still those Walmart investors fucking us over because the same 1% own everything and stop society from paying us what we're worth by refusing to pay their fair share of taxes)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What pisses me off the most is that if you’re a plumber you get to walk in and demand whatever price you feel like

As a plumber I can assure you that this is not how it works. I charge 60€ / h which may seem high but that's not what I pocket from it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

YOU charge... I don't get to charge for my services... I just have to take whatever society offers... In fact, with a lot of those jobs I listed, they are legally not allowed to stop working (strike) to get better wages BECAUSE it would fuck society so bad. I'm also in the US, so my apologies if it's not the same where you are

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago (2 children)

You’re being paid a wage for the work you do, which is effectively the same as charging for your services. I also don’t understand why you think I can just charge my customers whatever I want. There’s a certain price range that plumbers in my area operate within, and if I set my prices higher than that, nobody will hire me.

It’s not like society is forcing you to be a wage slave either - you’re free to start your own business, just like everyone else.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It sounds crazy to you because you have apparently had success handed to you through no work or special virtue of your own. Maybe get out of your comfy bubble a bit

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Such a privilege to be born plumber

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

A 200k expense won't destroy me or lock me out of my house or completely destroy my retirement. No inheritance, went to college, and knew buying a house early was key, saved about 25% income for 3 years to put 45k down on house.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Since I left college and started out into the "adult world", I've always spent less than I made, the rest going to savings or investments toward retirement. I accomplish this by "paying myself first". If I have already saved the money as my first priority, I can't spend it on things like rent or groceries. So my financial choices are forced to be more conservative by design.

Example: I forget what the max limit to IRAs were at the time (say $5k/yr) but for my first job I set up auto contributions each month and mentally took a $5k/yr salary "cut" for that job. Every time I got a raise, I made sure that at least a portion of that raise went to increasing my savings rate and attempted to avoid lifestyle creep.

Thanks to my savings, I've been able to handle some emergencies in cash vs having to utilize debt to cover the expenses. It really is a snowball. I started out small, now my savings is significant compared to my income.

I attribute a lot of my "pay yourself first" approach to reading The Automatic Millionaire, Expanded and Updated: A Powerful One-Step Plan to Live and Finish Rich early on.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

I am not American, but Austrian. I earn way more money than I spend each month, causing my bank balance to rise over time; I am not going to say exactly how much I have, but €1000 (which is about the same as $1000) is no problem for me to afford when I need it.

While it's better than the alternative, it still doesn't make me very happy because this only helps fulfill the bottom two levels of Maslow's hierarchy of needs. I wish I could easily earn less money, but have more free time to travel and pursue hobbies, but the system of wage labor is not flexible enough to cover the needs of someone like me.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Better than ever. But I hate my job with a deep and burning passion, and I'm pretty deeply burnt out. So I'm not sure what to do. I'm worried that I won't be able to find anything that pays as well.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I can lose my job for a year and be ok. I'd probably cut back on some expenses, but it would probably be ok.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 days ago

Money is like water, you need some amount but more is not better. The smarter you are the less you need and the easier it becomes to always have plenty.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's not remotely crazy, and I have lived there. I had times where I foraged for berries and plants for food, and was lucky enough to know how and where to do so. That was a long time ago, before wages stagnated and inflation went bananas. I'm surprised more people aren't starving to death today, just looking at the numbers.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I'm tied down by one financial anchor and have opted to add two more smaller ones on top of that for giggles. I live very comfortably paycheck to paycheck, if I need to save for anything I can fairly easily put away around 3k a month. I can afford a random 1k expense without issue, currently anything above 2k would be a bit tougher, but still manageable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Are you saving for retirement?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I can currently cover a $1000 expense, but if something else happens that costs that much I'll have to use my credit card, and if a third thing happens I'm fucked.

My relationship with money isn't good ("not wise" might be a better term), and now that I know my parents as an adult, I understand that both of them are terrible with money. Do I blame them? I try not to, but sometimes that's hard when I see how they continue to make poor $$ choices. My mom constantly made over 6 figures for a good portion of her later life, but now can't work, and she has nothing but social security to live off of. Through the years she's used up all her retirement and savings a few times on things like saving houses she eventually loses anyway.

My dad just dropped the news that he owes 80k to the IRS because he's been pulling from his retirement for years now to sustain his lifestyle in a high-cost area.

Myself? I didn't really get my shit together financially until I was in my mid 30s. Mostly my fault, though there were a few things that happened outside of my control that forced me to "start over" financially. That's life.

My relationship with money now is respectful. I take the time and care to slowly work my way through understanding what to do and how to do it. I only have one credit card and it's a low amount, so it can't get wildly out of control but it's there if I need it.

Right now I've got around 1.5k in savings (not including my 401/Roth). My plan is to save up to 10k for an emergency fund and then start to invest what I save up after that.

I listen to a lot of Caleb Hammer on YouTube. It helps, haha.

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