Are they already trying to enshittify the Fediverse experience with this delay?
this post was submitted on 03 Oct 2024
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Sounds like simply shitty programming if they need a 15 minutes delay in order to give users the possibility to edit their posts .. editing posts is possible in lots of fediverse software without such hacks lol
But it's cooperative, as long there is 1 instance that doesn't respect delete requests, they can't provide the ability to delete a mistakenly posted picture that actually works.
15 minutes is excessive though. 3 minutes should be enough.
Sounds like EEE to me, but it seems a little too early in the cycle for that.
Eastern Equine Encephalitis?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
As has been said, this is a bit early to be a good example of EEE...
Agree it's a bit sus. They could just send out the updated version if it gets edited within their 15 minute window.
I can’t say I’ve ever seen one.
Maybe the majority of fediverse instances should just defederate from Threads. Then they can take all the time they want to broadcast their shitty posts.
a fixed 15-minute* delay
I'm not a native speaker.. interesting, why would that be phrased that way? It's still multiple minutes?
Generally, when describing a thing, the unit is written as singular. "15 minute delay", "10 foot pole", "5 gallon bucket". When referring the unit itself though, it would be plural: "a delay of 15 minutes", "the pole is 10 feet long", "this bucket holds 5 gallons". I'm sure there's a more precise way to say this, but hopefully it helps.
The delay is singular. So one delay for fifteen minutes is a fifteen minute delay.
Not sure what that has to do with anything. Two delays are plural but two delays for fifteen minutes each would still be "two fifteen minute delays".
Apparently they either don't realize that there is a Update mechanism in ActivityPub that allows you to edit your post any time, or this is a temporary measure until they implement it.
It's nothing like 15 minutes, but Lemmy doesn't federate posts instantly either. At a guess, there's a per-remote-instance worker that sleeps for a bit, then sends everything that's accumulated while it was sleeping. It's most noticeable when you're linked to only one other instance, and you still have to wait before getting anything. The advantages are that it's better to open a network connection, send a bunch of stuff, then close it, rather than opening and closing it for every activity, and it's more efficient to just send an Edit, rather than a Create and then an Edit if they both occurred close to one another.
For Threads, there's the additional advantage in that it means they can offer the equivalent of 'undo send' (like in Gmail), since deleting a non-federated post is easier and more reliable than deleting a federated one. But 15 minutes is crazy high - like the Source says, it makes a nonsense out of trying to do things like comment on a live event.
(In contrast to the above, PieFed will send this Note out instantly. It's all a trade-off between the pros and cons of different approaches, innit)
t's nothing like 15 minutes, but Lemmy doesn't federate posts instantly either.
And for Hubzilla, it depends on the outgoing queue. It can range from instant to awhile.
But we can edit and delete our posts, and most major fediverse platforms will comply with our update and delete requests. But as users who understand a bit about decentralized social media, we understand that once it is sent, there is no guarantee that third parties will delete or update it. The average Threads user probably does not understand that yet.
I can see why they'd do that tbh. Being able to delete something posted in error is something that may not be guaranteed in the Fediverse. Once it's out there, you're relying on others to delete that cute picture of your cat with your shrivelled up little winkie clearly visible in the reflection of your TV.
Let’s not kid ourselves about threads properly deleting posts though. Their database probably just goes DELETED: True;