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KANSAS CITY, Mo. (KCTV) - A sight previously thought to be science fiction is very real at a southeast Kansas City shopping center. Instead of a police officer, a security robot has been patrolling sidewalks and shoppers are taking notice.

Since Marshall the robot has been on the job, shoppers say the experiences have completely changed when they come to these stores. The robot can spend 23 hours a day monitoring the parking lot from all angles which gives people a new sense of protection and ease they don’t always have when out.

Marshall took over security at Brywood Centre in April. Before that, Karen White noticed a lot of trouble outside the shopping center.

“Sometimes it’d be concerning for your car like someone could take it or something,” White said.

Knowing now that Marshall is always watching, the risk of crime does not worry her or others as much.

“It made it very better, like you can’t be in the parking lot without seeing the robot,” White continued. “So, I think it scared them off.”

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[–] [email protected] 133 points 3 months ago (5 children)

They feel like there is less crime, because they have bought into security theater.

[–] [email protected] 83 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Ironically security theater can have a a placebo effect on crime rates as well. It turns out that the likelihood that someone commits a crime is strongly correlated to the chance they believe they will get caught, not the actual chance of getting caught. That’s why fake security cameras are so effective.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Hate to say it (re: security theater), but I think that is correct. I've read articles stating a drop in crime in places where they just have a cardboard cutout of police officers in the window.

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[–] Bjornir 17 points 3 months ago

It make sense, when you make a decision you make it based on the data you have not the truth. So security theaters are effective as long as people who are thinking about commiting a crime think it is working. And they care about getting caught.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Like the ADT signs people get off of Craigslist.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

NRA stickers are probably way more effective.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

"It is not the severity of punishment that deters crime, but the certainty of punishment."

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

This only applies to rational actors. The problem is most criminals are not rational nor thinking of consequences.

Case in point, criminals know convenience stores have cameras but still openly rob and steal from them.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago

* sees robot. looks around. *

Average idiot: Huh. No crime in sight. Guess it's working.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'm pretty sure that simply putting a picture of eyes in the scene reduces theft. People are emotional creatures , and if they feel like they're being watched by someone who doesn't approve of stealing, they're more likely to refrain.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

“Fifty thousand years ago there were these three guys spread out across the plain and they each heard something rustling in the grass. The first one thought it was a tiger, and he ran like hell, and it was a tiger but the guy got away. The second one thought the rustling was a tiger and he ran like hell, but it was only the wind and his friends all laughed at him for being such a chickenshit. But the third guy thought it was only the wind, so he shrugged it off and the tiger had him for dinner. And the same thing happened a million times across ten thousand generations - and after a while everyone was seeing tigers in the grass even when there weren`t any tigers, because even chickenshits have more kids than corpses do. And from those humble beginnings we learn to see faces in the clouds and portents in the stars, to see agency in randomness, because natural selection favours the paranoid. Even here in the 21st century we can make people more honest just by scribbling a pair of eyes on the wall with a Sharpie. Even now we are wired to believe that unseen things are watching us.”

― Peter Watts, Echopraxia

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 months ago (2 children)

“He has a license plate reader, he has facial recognition, he can read IP addresses from your cell phone or watch,” Amanda Bellemere, owner of Brywood Shopping Centre, explained. “He knows who you are basically.”

[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 months ago

Shoplifter: fuck you police toaster!

Police toaster: you jerk off to incest hentai.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago (4 children)

he can read IP addresses from your cell phone or watch

(X) Doubt

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago

They mean the Bluetooth MAC address. It'll capture your phone's and can tell who the manufacturer is but the rest of the address is randomized. That said, lots of watches/earbuds/assorted smart Bluetooth things aren't randomized because manufacturers are lazy.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Depends on what your cell or watch is broadcasting publicly and if you are connected to the store wifi.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Yea, no, the most likely route is to pickup a MAC address and associate it with an existing assigned IP address (If that device is connected to the public WiFi, but who even does that these days lol), but modern day Android and iOS randomize MAC addresses on every connection these days by default.

And then you'd still need to correlate that to the physical world, most likely route would be detecting Bluetooth hostname, but it's by no means guaranteed that the device hostname in the public WiFi DHCP table matches the BT one (phones can have different names for each). And again is dependent on the person being connected to store WiFi to begin with. Would also be entirely thwarted of a person's BT is off which is highly likely

It's possible, but would be a useless feature to develop and maintain as it would probably actually work out in the real world like maybe 30% of the time.

Unless they shoved a full stingray unit in it or something (extremely unlikely), this is just a statement from someone parroting a sales brochure that they didn't entirely understand

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago

Closer to this.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Marshall conquer and destroy! Exterminate!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

Does kind of look like one, doesn't it?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

This is not war this is pest control

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago

"Dead or alive, you're coming with me."

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago

Show your receipt you have 10 seconds to comply

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"very better"? Anyway...

It won't last. Right now it's new, but ultimately it will become an actual initiation ritual to knock it down, or perhaps a harder version to steal something out from under its nose. It doesn't know who you are if you wear a mask (or stay out of its line or sight) and don't carry something broadcasting your IP.

This looks like just security theater.

Meanwhile, aren't cameras cheap? If let's say hundreds of those were sprinkled around, maybe behind an opaque substance so you could also put up 10-100x more of them but 9/10ths being fake, and you swap them around occasionally, that might not be perfect either but could work better than a robot offering a nice, easy, fun target to play with, just like in video games. (Nobody ever enjoys video games these days though, do they?)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Be hilarious to put the thing up somewhere it can't get down from.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

TBH, I trust a security robot way, way more than I trust the KCPD at this point.

Our police are state-controlled and don't seem to give a damn about locals, and they've shown themselves to be completely inept to stem the stream of burglaries and theft that's occurred in the city over the past year. My own car got ripped off less than a year ago, forcing me to have to replace a window, but that's small potatoes compared to what many others are experiencing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Police don't prevent crime - their job is the grab people who commit crime.

Prevention is a much more complex issue (cultural).

Even as kids we all did shit our parents told us not to, and we just tried to not get caught.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I live in Kansas City. Somebody is going to do a drive by on that thing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

So do I, and yes, that could happen.

However, according to the article, it's been around six months now and is having a positive effect.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Intentionally or it will get caught up in one unintentionally?

Either way: "yes". :-(

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

They've seen the YouTube videos of Robocop and didn't want to get shot in their dicks.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The robot can spend 23 hours a day monitoring the parking lot from all angles

Do they get a mandated one-hour break or something?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Charging maybe? A robot’s gotta eat too.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Wouldn’t it make more sense to have removable batteries it could recharge and swap out on the fly?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

I mean, maybe that hour is a human swapping batteries and giving it a light cleaning?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Thank you for your cooperation.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Remember the movie "Chopping Mall" ?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The headline makes it sound like people are scared to report crimes because they don’t want to talk to RoboMallCop.

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