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The father of the mass shooting suspect accused of killing four people at Apalachee High School in Winder, Georgia, told investigators this week he had purchased the gun used in the killings as a holiday present for his son in December 2023, according to two law enforcement sources with direct knowledge of the investigation.

Colt Gray, a 14-year-old student, is accused of killing two students and two teachers with an AR-style rifle in the Wednesday shooting. Nine more people were hospitalized.

One source told CNN the AR-15-style rifle was purchased at a local gun store as a Christmas present.

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[–] [email protected] 322 points 1 week ago (11 children)

So his son was being investigated for making threats to shoot up the school and he decided that the best gift was a gun that could allow his son to act on those threats.

Charging him in connection with the shooting seems appropriate.

[–] [email protected] 117 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Who could have seen this coming?" -the father probably

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I bet physical and/or verbal abuse was abundant in that household, probably spousal abuse as well, up to and including sexual and financial.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 week ago (20 children)

No sexual abuse reported, but everything else, yeah.

More red flags than a May Day Parade, like usual.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 week ago

Yup they can go the same route as the Oxford, MI shooter and charge the parents. They got 10 years, if more parents got charged parents might wise up. This sounds 100% the exact same situation. Oxford kids parents told him not to get caught next time when he was in trouble for looking at ammunition during school.

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[–] [email protected] 149 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Call me crazy, but I don’t think children should own guns.

[–] [email protected] 95 points 1 week ago (2 children)

But but the real issue is them being exposed to drag queens!

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago

imagine how much worse this would be if the child in question went to drag time story hour instead of being given a killing machine! /s

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago

Drag queen story times are of the devil! ( The Christians say while attending church where someone dresses up and reads stories).

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 week ago (2 children)

he gifted him a gun to protect him from school shooting. that's right-wing logic

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Call me crazy, but I don't think civilians should own AR-15s

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[–] [email protected] 109 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Why these people giving weapons to their kids before they're even in high school?

[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I could see if you're really into guns and you want to teach your kid the importance of gun safety, etc. But that firearm should 110% be under lock and key so that the child has no way to access it outside of parental supervision. This sounds like gross negligence, and a disturbing trend of parents for whatever reason buying troubled youth firearms in what I think most would consider counter to good judgement.

Edit - Ugh... It's even worse after reading this part..

The timeline the teen’s father provided to authorities would put the gun purchase months after authorities first contacted Gray and his family to investigate school shooting threats made online.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If your kid is really into guns, then buy them a bb gun for fucks sake. Teach them gun safety with something that won’t kill anyone. What kind of brain dead parents are out there thinking that buying a child a gun is a good idea? THE KID’S NOT EVEN OLD ENOUGH TO DRIVE FFS

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Should be illegal to buy a child a gun until they are 18. You can 2A all you want about defending the country but you fuckers ain't gonna tell me you will have a child in your militia. Can't drive until 16, can't smoke until 18, can't drink until 21 but you can go out and fire deadly weapons whenever your parents say it's cool.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

you fuckers ain't gonna tell me you will have a child in your militia

"We absolutely will." -Conservatives

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago

If they can work in meat processors, they can join the militia.

/s

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago

Why these people giving weapons to their kids after the sheriff first contacted you to investigate school shooting threats your kid made online,

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think part of the reason for this is that you have a lot of these dipshit parents who see headlines like this and think "the LiBeRaLs are going to use this week's school shooting as justification for taking our guns; I'll show them, I'll give my children guns and be the proof that guns aren't the problem". At least, with how often I see the sentiment of "well my kids have guns and haven't killed anybody" across social media, that's my assumption.

They all think they're responsible gun owners. And maybe some of them are. Hell, maybe most of them are. But a non-zero amount aren't, and we need to have safeguards in place instead of "nothing we can do but pray for stronger doors on the schools".

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[–] [email protected] 96 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

My dad gave me a gun for one of my earlier birthdays. It was a bolt action .22 that went right into a gun safe that I couldn't access...It was a pretty shitty present as I didn't enjoy hunting at the time but in retrospect I'm glad I learned gun safety and shooting.

Why the fuck would you buy a 14 year old an AR15 style rifle, especially after he already had a history of making school shooting threats at school? Dude deserves prison for a long time.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Respecting a gun as a deadly weapon makes you a pussy. Your gun is like your dick, only better because you can buy a really big one instead of being stuck with what nature gave you.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 week ago (34 children)

My pragmatic side is absolutely disgusted with this - why would you gift a gun to your kid while living in an urban area? It makes no practical sense other than fueling this weird American obsession with guns.

I understand giving your teen kid a hunting rifle if you live in a rural area and go hunting sometimes, but not an AR in a city - it's just asking for trouble.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago

After police talked to you about the kid having made online threats to do a school shooting.

He knew. And he gave him a gun anyways. I hope he gets convicted and sued into the ground.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (11 children)

My fourteen year has a few guns. 20 gauge single shot break barrel, .410 single shot break barrel, bolt action .22 rifle and a single action .22 revolver. (Single action revolvers are the really old school kind where you have to cock the hammer each time it shoots. It's a damn big revolver as well, good luck concealing it.) They are used for varmint control and hunting. The revolver is great for rat shot and he has taken quite a few gophers with it. He understands what guns do and how they cause death.

We hunt, fish, camp, kayak, live on a tiny farm.

I don't own an AR, don't have use for one at this time. Giving a kid an AR and uncontrolled access to it in an urban environment is nucking futz. My son has access to his guns because I trust him to safely and respectfully use them. He also has been trained in their proper use since he was 7 or 8.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

After they had been contacted by investigators over concerns the kid wanted to do a school shooting.

This is why red flag laws need to be a thing.

The buried lede-

The timeline the teen’s father provided to authorities would put the gun purchase months after authorities first contacted Gray and his family to investigate school shooting threats made online.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Sounds like accessory to murder to me.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Funny that, Colin Gray, father of Colt (the shooter) has been officially charged

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Welp, send the man to jail for aiding and abetting murder.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He has, in fact, been arrested.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 week ago (6 children)

What’s wrong with legos. Nobody is ever killed with legos.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 week ago

I was gifted a shotgun at 15. It was a double barrel break action shotgun from my grandmother.

I kept it in a gun rack my grandfather left me hanging on my wall. I never had issues, but if one of my friends wanted access, it probably could have been stolen.

Lock up your guns.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (12 children)

Americans need to analyze their views surrounding guns. And take their time. It's mind-blowing to try to make them understand guns are risky, regardless of handling, trigger discipline, or any other bullshit they tell themselves. The mere existence of guns is dangerous, the bigger the number of guns out there is the amount of accidents, shootings and massacres waiting to happen out there.

Edit: yeah, pushed some buttons here. Good.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Who have you been talking to? 80 percent of Americans want gun control laws like a universal background check. For a general question of more strict laws support is at 60 percent.

Here's a former Supreme Court judge saying the conservatives have hijacked the second amendment and we in response we should repeal it.

Washington Post reports that around that same period 21 percent of Americans were ready to repeal it.

We're out here, and we're pissed. We just get angrier every time time we see a headline and every time it turns out that common sense gun laws were subverted by people in authority.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

it's odd that they used "holiday present" in the headline, but the article says-

One source told CNN the AR-15-style rifle was purchased at a local gun store as a Christmas present.

it's like they didn't want christmas in the same headline as the mass shooting or something?

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)

AR-15-style

Sociopaths raising a sociopath. We have to stop the race to the bottom, triggering people isn't cool, it has serious repercussions, as noted in presidential races, even.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you can Ban someone from buying their CHILD a GUN after that Child makes THREATS TO SHOOT UP HIS SCHOOL that's SOCIALISM! SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

Child soldiers are an essential bulwark against government tyranny!

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Is he named Colt after the gun?

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (9 children)

My father also bought me a gun as a birthday present as a teenager, and looking back it was wholly inappropriate and dangerous. Granted, I never had thoughts of killing people.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Guns kill people. Wow it's so complicated. Americans need to examine their culture

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well, now I know why the dad has been arrested on second degree murder and a whole slew of charges.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I don't understand why the father would just confess like that, but I suppose I shouldn't expect good judgement from him.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm sure he believes in the rule of law, so told the truth. I'm also sure he believes that nothing will happen to him because he told the nice police officers the truth, so the nice police officers will just charge his way-too-young-to-own-a-gun son as an adult and Dad will just go on living his life as he always has.

Critical thinking skills are not strong in men like him.

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