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[–] [email protected] 62 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

We are finished

[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Too many people see compromise as a weakness and it's destroying democracy which is built on this very principle that all different kinds of people have to come together and make laws to create a common denominator.

But for some reason political parties today catch flak left and right if they compromise on some of their positions in order to achieve at least a bit of progress instead of being unyielding on it but not changing anything since noone else would agree on it.

Imho that's one of the reasons why populist parties today gain so much ground: the very act of compromise is seen as weak by many and they capitalize on that to attack the other parties

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No compromise with fascists. That's how we got here.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about democratic parties working together on issues in a functioning democracy with more than two parties. And if those parties have different ideas of how to reach a goal and compromise on it to get to the same goal - then that often results in them losing voters to parties pointing out how they broke their promise of doing it a certain way and how they should have insisted on their solution

[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 months ago

Revolutions are long-term work. They are not nor ever have been overnight affairs throughout history.

Now there's an adage attributed to everyone's favoritr 20th century revolutionary actor: "There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen."

These are to be taken into account together. Don't mistake those weeks as separate or independent from the decades.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

Most modern revolution mindset is both childish and often used as a way to shield and justify the real underlying cynicism and lack of willingness to put in work.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

🎶 It's time for guillotines. 🎶

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

There's a Bill Wurtz if I've ever seen one

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

It's from whitest kids u know.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

🎶its time for world war one🎵

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

If you're defining long-term as 4-8 years, sure. If your idea of long-term is defined in decades, are you aware the planet is on fire?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

this is nuanced. in the UK after ww2 our army's returned without housing, without long term health care which we did fight for and Britain had an NHS and housing within 5 years but we had to struggle to get it. now in current, we've slowly been selling our NHS, council housing isn't built at the necessary speeds. our towns and cities as well as education are on the brink of bankruptcy. capitalists are far better at small incremental changes then we are.

where incremental action does work is strike action, anti war movements as they empower the working class to fight but we wont get the world we want without a revolution. speaking of cause a classless society.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

This is kind of a garbage take. Revolution is just one puzzle piece in the large set of tools necessary to effect real change. Revolution can also happen in many different ways from silent to political to violent. And all of those can very much happen overnight if all the pieces are in the right place.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Do you have any examples of successful overnight revolutions?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

I think (I hope) by overnight revolution, they mean the tipping point from civil unrest into actual change. It took a decade of protesting for Civil Rights to get popular support, but the law was drafted, written, and signed in less than a week due to the destruction wrought across the country after MLK was assassinated.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Right? If China and Russia are anything to go by, I want none of that revolution. They still have garbage governance even today. I'm convinced a revolution would get us from shit to absolute vile hot diarrhea.
I think I prefer trying to change the diet instead, just to stick to the metaphor.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You say that cuz you're comfortable. If you were a serf in Imperial Tsarist Russia you might have a different mindset.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This is the difference though. Many modern leftists insist that iterative harm reduction under capitalism is exactly the same level of oppression as being a feudal serf. That's actually the core basis of their thesis - that any capitalism is literally violence against them and therefore justifies violence against others.

Have there been just revolutions in the past? Of course. But overthrowing kings and dictators is quite a bit different than tearing down a society which has both injustice but also a high standard of living. It seems to imagine that only the injustice will be eliminated through violence, which is demonstrably untrue.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah the problem with your statement here is that we know for a fact that the only thing that stopped capitalism from making people literal serfs is political violence. We had to fight a second Civil War in this country. Literal battles. If it weren't for those you'd be chained to a factory right now. That's the way capitalism will always go. You shouldn't be under misunderstanding that the current level of standard of living has anything to do with capitalism. The Golden Age of capitalism is the Gilded Age.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Do believe you're incorrect. Here's a quick source to read. https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/affect-vs-effect-usage-difference

Hey, still a small win though because either you change your understanding of effect as a verb or I do!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

I'm not sure about how this makes me feel.

It is a highly appealing statement to the carefully, but barely, suppressed centrist in me.

I suspect a placebo.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Sounds like something we're supposed to hear in order to not rise up. I know I've been waiting a while and it sucks to see the young generation going through the same hoops.

I'll just keep waiting till someone actually needs help building a gallows or something

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You missed the bit where it says "work". Waiting is not work.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

They've tried nothing and they're all out of ideas!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

It's actually the opposite - the idea that you need a revolution to enact change is meant to keep you demoralized and pacified because you won't get off your couch unless you see people marching in the streets.

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