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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

This is kind of a garbage take. Revolution is just one puzzle piece in the large set of tools necessary to effect real change. Revolution can also happen in many different ways from silent to political to violent. And all of those can very much happen overnight if all the pieces are in the right place.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Do you have any examples of successful overnight revolutions?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

I think (I hope) by overnight revolution, they mean the tipping point from civil unrest into actual change. It took a decade of protesting for Civil Rights to get popular support, but the law was drafted, written, and signed in less than a week due to the destruction wrought across the country after MLK was assassinated.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Right? If China and Russia are anything to go by, I want none of that revolution. They still have garbage governance even today. I'm convinced a revolution would get us from shit to absolute vile hot diarrhea.
I think I prefer trying to change the diet instead, just to stick to the metaphor.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You say that cuz you're comfortable. If you were a serf in Imperial Tsarist Russia you might have a different mindset.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This is the difference though. Many modern leftists insist that iterative harm reduction under capitalism is exactly the same level of oppression as being a feudal serf. That's actually the core basis of their thesis - that any capitalism is literally violence against them and therefore justifies violence against others.

Have there been just revolutions in the past? Of course. But overthrowing kings and dictators is quite a bit different than tearing down a society which has both injustice but also a high standard of living. It seems to imagine that only the injustice will be eliminated through violence, which is demonstrably untrue.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah the problem with your statement here is that we know for a fact that the only thing that stopped capitalism from making people literal serfs is political violence. We had to fight a second Civil War in this country. Literal battles. If it weren't for those you'd be chained to a factory right now. That's the way capitalism will always go. You shouldn't be under misunderstanding that the current level of standard of living has anything to do with capitalism. The Golden Age of capitalism is the Gilded Age.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

you can say whatever you want but china and russia had unprecedented growth because of their respective revolutions.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Russia added some territory in the last few years, but that was at the hand of authoritarian imperialism and NOT due to a revolution.

Stop apologizing for crimes of fascists.