It still bewilders me why we are even having this conversation. The guy tried to overthrow our government. The government of the people, in accordance of our constitution. If that’s not the definition of treason I don’t know what is.
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The bewildering part for me is to watch an entire first world nation of millions of thoughtful people just allow all of this to happen and continue to happen.
I gave up on Trump years ago (and I didn't think much of him to begin with) .... much of America is still holding on to him and that is the problem.
Trump as a person and personality is not the problem .... there are hundreds of people waiting on the wings just like him.
It's the American mentality and the people who support this stupidity that are the problem.
It's the American financiers and multi millionaires that enjoy funding and supporting this lunacy that are the problem.
American finance and corporate lobby enjoy the benefits of political instability and the lack of accountability and regulation from which it results. Citizens United really ratcheted up the bullshit we see today.
Let's be honest, if someone said your company can make another 10%, and you know you will be canned if your numbers don't look good, you think lowering the taxes on your large company suddenly looks better. People are selfish and greedy, they will say well how much can it really hurt the populous, if they even have that much th of a conscience. They have to donate money to get tax breaks, so they donate it to someone who will help them line their pockets. Our tax code entices political bribes/lobbying. So candidates get more money, and companies keep giving it so they can line their pockets, all the while shorting the working class.
Yes, I can understand but I do not empathize. Citizens United deemed corporations as people and gave them the right to donate to political campaigns. They are not people.
I agree with you, that's why I was saying the tax codes should be changed as well to not incentivise it. Tax the companies (tax brackets would be good as well, so small companies are taxed lower), and no tax cuts for donations. Use the taxes to fund actual support for people, not lining people's pockets.
Which is why John Roberts is a pivotal traitor in American history. None of this would be possible without him. He held the power to stop all this shit before it even started. He is the proximal reason for our predicament.
thoughtful people
There’s your problem right there
The problems are multiple but to me the main problem seems to be a feckless DOJ captained by Merrick Garland whose been asleep at the wheel or at least in the deep pocket of the Federalist Society.
Yes the DOJ is worthless and I frankly believe a plant by the Republican party. Because so far is letting the right get away with whatever they want.
trump himself provides the argument for why going after political candidates for "treason" is dangerous. Because if he steals it, you can bet that a LOT of Democrats are literally going to be lined up against a wall and shot (or abused horribly if they are one of the women they are obsessed with...). All because they commit "treason" along the same lines that mtg and the like insisted on impeaching Biden as retribution.
That said, we had four fucking years to investigate this and didn't even start to do anything of worth until year three. And then gave up when one shitty judge stalled and a bunch of shitty politicians declared trump immune from all crimes.
This is why it's important to lock him the fuck up and make sure it sticks.
He's going to have people lined up and shot regardless if he has to do another insurrection or not. best make sure he can't do that.
His supporters will do it for him regardless, mark my words. We're going to see instances of people being shot for being Democrats after the election regardless of who wins.
Well sure, but his fans are the people whose ancestors seceded from the US because they wanted slaves.
This is an example of a thing I've said repeatedly about Trump - I'm willing to bet that he's 100% sincere about this. He's not dissembling or diverting - he actually, sincerely believes that he had every right to interfere in whatever ways he wanted.
Why?
Because he's a near-total sociopath. I don't think that concepts of truth and falsehood or right and wrong are even coherent to him. I think his entire measure of everything is wholly personal - if he wants it, then it's right and if he doesn't, then it's wrong, and if he believes it, then it's true, and if he doesn't, then it's false. And it really is that simple. It's not that he lies, but that he lives in a fantasy world in which whatever he believes is true and whatever he wants is right.
He’s player one. All of the rest of us are just NPCs.
That's exactly why all these libertarian tech bros believe we live in a simulation. It makes them the hero of the universe and the rest of us are NPCs they can do whatever they want to.
sincerely believes that he had every right to interfere in whatever ways he wanted.
Exactly. (Long, but jump to the 30 minute point if you are in a hurry)
Trump OBVIOUSLY had EVERY RIGHT to interfere! If he didn't he would have been LOCKED UP ALREADY! Paging the United States Justice SYSTEM!
The insanity is not so much that he is an insane person .... the insane part is that he has so many people that want to follow him.
Who is more insane? ... the insane person? ... or the legions of people who decide to follow the insane person?
The part that really gets me is the news media taking him seriously.
I keep waiting for a moment when some reporter is going to start talking about Trump's latest, then just stop in the middle and say, "You know? That's it. I just cant do it any more. This guy is a blithering lunatic and I'm done pretending he's not."
Not like I actually expect that - I'm much more cynical than that. Still though...
Trump argued that the legal actions against him set a bad precedent
Well, we finally agree on something.
The fact that he's a free man and the republican nominee 4 years after attempting to steal an election and then subsequently attempted a coup is a really fucking bad precedent and shows that the legal system is impotent to stop large scale corruption.
Yeah. The demo needed to take him to task years ago. The fact they waited until the election is a political move and decision. And a poorly thought out one
Sounds like a confession.
We finally got him, right guys? Guys?
Sounds like he's setting up a defense as it being an official presidential act and thus him being immune from prosecution based on the blanket immunity that SCOTUS recently gave to presidents. So he'll admit to it, be immune, and let everyone else get prosecuted for knowingly following him.
Not presidents, just him. They can, and will, rule any actions from a Democratic president to not be official acts.
So you’re cool if Biden/Kamala pull the same shit this election, right?
…right???
Fascism 101: it's only cool if I do it, because I'm supposed to be in charge and you're not
That's not how narcissism works silly goose 🪿
People are saying he's totally telling Biden to do it. Soo many people. You never this many people talk about it. The best people. Top people.
So a confession then?
Well. He's wrong.
The fool is deluded beyond redemption
Well, he is a fool…. So…
It's called sociopathy mixed with dementia.