OP killed a guy and thinks this is gonna be part of their cover story
this post was submitted on 01 Sep 2024
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I feel like this is a pretty crass joke to make.
A good friend of mine found a body a few months ago. It's a pretty shitty experience. And it's actually a lot like what OP describes. A sense of foreboding and suspicion combined with a conviction that these thoughts are foolish. And an uncertainty whether to check or to alert someone or to just try to forget it.
Op, I'd report it and ask them to please follow up with you and let you know. It's probably nothing, and you'll feel better once you know it was nothing, and that you did the responsible thing in having it dealt with.
Exactly what I was thinking
Honestly at least if it is a dead body I've called it in and explained that I did touch it trying to open it but couldn't.
"we found your fingerprints on the body"
Yeah I may have reached my hand inside and felt around a little my bad
Suuuure
Call 911, tell them where it is, explain that you found a trash bag somewhere and you're concerned it has a dead body in it, don't disturb it any more than you already have
I work in 911 dispatch, from my end of things this is a very straightforward call. Verify your location, one or two short lines of notes, send a cop out to check it out.
I've taken a few calls like this, luckily it's always just been trash or at worst a dead animal.
One time the responding officer found some bones in the bag and was pretty sure they weren't human, but called out our on-call coroner to be sure who confirmed that it was just a deer or something.
Similarly I once had a call from an off-duty coroner reporting a "strong smell of decomp" from the woods near a gas station or something. I guess if anyone would know it would be them. Sent a cop out, sure enough, it was a dead deer.
It's very rare that anything like this is ever as exciting as your imagination makes you think it might be. Still, always better to call if you're unsure.
Honest question, you seem like a great person to ask.
In the event fingerprints weren’t a issue…
What would be the best way go about this anonymously?
If you really want to remain anonymous for some reason, call from a payphone (they still exist,) use a burner phone, borrow a phone from a random passerby, wear a mask so no one can recognize you in case there's security cameras, make sure you're not seen getting into your own car or walking home, change your clothes somewhere in the middle, etc.
If you call from your own phone number, if we and/or the cops care enough, it's not all that hard to get phone records and get your info.
But I'm also going to let you in on something- we're not going to care. The cops may have a couple follow up questions for you (like maybe "how often do you walk this way," "so they can try to establish how long it's been there,) that I'm probably not going to ask on the initial 911 call. My job isn't to take a full report and investigate and interrogate everyone, my job is to make sure cops are sent out to do all of that, and if you don't give us a way to contact you back, you're making it harder for them to investigate the incident.
And why? They're not going to tell anyone who the random passerby was who found the bag, they're not going to try to blame it on you, and honestly wanting to remain anonymous probably makes you sound a lot more suspicious than if you just gave your name and they're probably going to put more effort into figuring out who you were and trying to drag you in for questioning than they would have otherwise.
Thanks for this. Helpful comment.
Question: Can someone report anonymously to a non emergency number?
I mean I get you probably shouldn’t call animal control or something, but if someone just really does not want to involve themselves with police/emergency services, is there a better option?
I helped open a community center in my hometown. We had more than a handful of volunteers who were brought up with a “no 911” mindset.
I guess I’m just curious if there’s an option for folks who are just flat out opposed.
Pay phone is anonymous answer, but the finger condom requirement will likely yield laziness.
So there's 2 aspects to this
What cops theoretically could do if they're properly trained and motivated and working on the crime of the century with the media and mayor's office breathing down their neck
And there's what they're actually going to do for anything else.
Theoretically it's almost impossible to be truly anonymous in the world we live in today. If you make a phone call, there's phone records the cops can get access to, security cameras everywhere, if you call from a deactivated cell phone or take out your SIM card they can try to get the the IMEI number and see who that phone was last registered to, if you submit something online they can try to trace your IP address, etc. they can try to track down witnesses who may be able to ID you, etc.
Basically none of that is ever going to happen just to trace down a witness that called 911 who's probably not going to be cooperative anyway. People watch too many CSI TV shows.
And good luck trying to get cops to try getting fingerprints for anything short of murder, and even then they're going to be looking for the suspect, not a random passerby who called it in. They're also probably not going to get useful prints off a payphone because 10,000 people have probably had their fingers all over that phone since the last time someone bothered to wipe it down. And if your prints aren't already in the system, they're not going to be able to tie them to you anyway (although from the way you're talking about it I suspect a lot of people probably have previous records and been fingerprinted)
The practical answer is call from the payphone, call from a deactivated phone without a sim card, call from a borrowed phone, call from a TextNow or similar service number. That is more than enough anonymity that in all but the most extreme serious crimes the cops aren't going to put in any real effort to try to track you down as a witness. They may put in a little more effort if they think you're a suspect, but it's usually pretty clear if that's the case. Most of the time, they're probably not even going to bother looking up the phone records even if you call into the station from your own number.
If the department has it, you can also try an anonymous tip line or submit the tip online. Those may not be checked very often, so I wouldn't necessarily count on that if you have an emergency you want to be addressed quickly.
Really, just call, they're not trying to bust people for other stuff for calling in an emergency, they're not ratting people out as the one who called, that's all counter productive and just makes more work for themselves in the long run. Make the call and leave the area if you want, we can't make you stay there and you should have at least a few minutes to skedaddle before the cops show.
Edit: call from a nearby business' phone or a borrowed cell phone, and just don't leave your name and try to stay off a security camera while you're doing it. Unless you're really distinctive looking, odds are the person who let you use the phone is probably not going be able to give much of a description of you if cops ask for some reason
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Seriously?
Phone the cops. Now.
At the very least, OP, dumping garbage by the road is against the law, so even if it's just regular garbage, you are reporting a crime regardless. Bonus: a cop has to deal with someone else's garbage.
Yeah there are non-emergency police numbers other than 911. I also say phone it in.
Wait, why would you not call 911? Murderer on the loose sounds like an emergency to me
I think 911 (or whatever the number is where you live) would be fine. But the argument could be made that the emergency number should reserved for active emergencies, in OPs case the victim is already potentially dead.
So, you're correct that active emergencies take priority.
That being said, in essentially every place that has 911, both numbers connect to the same place and the only real difference is pick-up order and default response.
It's the emergency number not simply because it's only for emergencies but because it's the number that's the same everywhere that you need to know in the event of an emergency.
It should be used in any situation where it should be dealt with by someone now, and that someone isn't you. Finding a serious crime has occurred is an emergency, even if the perpetrator is gone and the situation is stable.
A dead person, particularly a potential murder, generally needs to be handled quickly.
It's also usually better to err on the side of 911, just in case it is an emergency that really needs the fancy features 911 often gives, like location lookups.
I would argue 911 is for emergencies that 100% need to be dealt with immediately.
This feels like calling it in and letting them decide priority is better. It could be anything.
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It varies a bit from one area to another, but a lot of places have moved to a central dispatch model where basically everything goes through the 911 center one way or another. It's usually best to just call 911 and cut out the middle men, worst case scenario they'll tell you it's not an emergency and who to call, maybe even connect you to them directly. Even if your area works differently and they do actually want to dispatch non emergencies from the station, you really need to be a nuisance before anyone even dreams of trying to get you in trouble for misusing 911, no one wants to do that paperwork or go to court for a one-off call.
Source- I am a 911 dispatcher.
If you do call the non-emergency number, one of 4 things is usually going to happen (in my county)
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The call comes right into us anyway, a lot of stations aren't staffed 24/7 so when they're not there to answer the phone it rolls over to us, or sometimes they even publish or give out a direct number to us instead of their actual inside line because most of the time we're going to have to deal with it anyway.
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The station forwards you to us
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The station tells you to hang up and call 911.
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The station takes down the information, then after they hang up with you, they call us and relay it to us (and usually misses half the details we'd like to have)
Pretty much the only things the people answering the phones at the station are good for is answering general administrative questions- "can I get fingerprinted for my job?" "did anyone turn in some lost keys?" "How do I get a permit to...?" "How do i get a copy of a report?" "How do I pay my fine?" "Where was my car towed to?" Etc.
If you need a cop to do something, even if it's just to take a report, your best bet is usually calling 911.
As a 911 dispatcher, don’t you think the worst case scenario is someone choking to death in a chicken bone while you’re explaining to a flood of casual callers that their situation doesn’t count as an emergency?
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911, what's your emergency?
I found a dead body on the side of the road.
Where are you? I'm sending police to you now.
Uhh, I touched it.
OK, don't do that. Do you have hand sanitizer?
I may have eaten some.
...
Also, I tripped. I may have slipped inside.
What does that mean?
I...completed.
Listen just stay where you are, police are on their way.
I would suggest calling the city or county and reporting suspicious dumping. It could be a body. It could be a rotting animal carcass. It could have toxic chemicals in it.
You don't need to suspect that it's a body to call the city and report what looks like dangerous dumping.
So I did call the non-emergency phone number. Could be a waste of time for the cops or whatever. What I was doing is walking to Burger King to get a Whooper I walked 5 miles there and 5 miles back home found it on my way home.
Whooper
Joking aside, if you think you've found a body, drugs, a gun, whatever it is; don't touch it, find a place that's far away from the thing but in view so you can keep an eye on it, and then call it in. I know, ACAB and all that, but this is serious shit. You don't wanna be too close in case the owner comes back, but you don't wanna leave it either.
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The person said they'd pray for you because they thought you were a dumpster diver i.e. that you were gonna eat out of the trash so that's what happened there. And so... It was also probably just a bag of food waste going gnarly.
It's actually really funny to me that a cop has to go look in the funky bag. That's a better use of their time than a lot of things they get up to of a day. Nice one!
The person said they'd pray for you because they thought you were a dumpster diver i.e. that you were gonna eat out of the trash so that's what happened there.
Possible, but it is a huge stretch to automatically assume that was what they were thinking.
Yeah it's a pretty rural area. I think he was just someone looking to spread his religion to cause he basically did hold up traffic a bit. So it did seem like he was actually concerned I would be walking all the way out.
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It was probably just full of garbage (which is also "limp" and attracts flies) and the idea of some cop having to cut it open and go through it because you called it in is sort of funny.
With that said, I have wondered about similar things. One time I saw a guy I thought might be dead but I waited a few minutes, he moved a little, and I figured he was probably just very drunk so I left. Another time I did go tell an NYC cop that there was a guy lying on the ground in the middle of a busy street, and the cop didn't seem to care. Maybe I should have called 911 instead but I didn't want to be officially associated with the situation.
This kinda thing just happened to me 2 days ago. Out taking the dogs for their evening walk and some dude was lying in the middle of his yard splayed out on his back, eyes closed, motionless and alone. It really looked like he had fallen off the roof or passed out so I waited for 10 seconds to see if I could see breathe, didn't, said loudly "you okay there buddy"?
'Yup'
"awesome. Have a good evening."
😳
Good on ya for lookin out!
and the idea of some cop having to cut it open and go through it because you called it in is sort of funny.
"Yeah, officers, uh... I definitely saw a body, at the bottom of the landfill... If you don't find it right away, just keep looking, it's definitely there."
I never report any of the dead bodies I find, I really hate paperwork
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A similar situation happened to me! DO NOT TOUCH ANYTHING Call the non emergency number! If they are annoyed that they came out and it winds up being garbage, who cares? At least you didn't ignore something potentially very important.
In my case, it was a suitcase that had duct tape around it. That showed up overnight. I called local cops first that sent guys out that seemed bored, honestly. And my heart was racing as I answered questions. When they opened the bag, it had ripped clothes and a half used roll of duct tape. The local PD literally said "well, we don't have a crime we can match this to." They started to leave without the bag and I was confused why they wouldn't at least take it for evidence? I have watched too many episodes of CSI, cold case etc and was freaking out. They left. I guess they just want to make money on traffic stops.
I couldn't leave the situation there, and a friend knew someone in the State Police. After a few phone calls I got in touch with a detective. Who was very confused that the local cops had handled the situation like that. He arrived and took the bag into evidence and got my information. As far as I know, nothing ever came of it.
How was the duct tape in the duct taped suitcase?
You're asking a guy who got offended the cops didn't take a random suitcase with clothes and tape as evidence of a non existent case enough to call up a detective who probably just took the time to take the thing to a dumpster somewhere
The circumstances it was found in were a little different than OPs, like I said the bag appeared overnight. And on private property where there was no road access. Little bit suspicious for a heavy suitcase to wind up in a place like that. The detective agreed. Police aren't just there to make traffic stops. He said there were a few unsolved missing persons cases that police had searched the nearby area for on account of their circumstances. In one case, a wife went missing, and her husband was spotted circling the roads nearby for hours the night she went missing but her body was never found.
I just kept my story brief because I didn't think anyone would be interested. But there was absolutely reason to think it could amount to something. And all I'm saying is if I get murdered, I hope the local cops I initially called aren't on the job cause those guys acted like they wanted to be sitting in their car eating donuts.
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“Oh yes, I’m so glad you called me. I’ll just take this down to the evidence locker”
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I called to report a possible body in a bag to the police.
But if I had gotten a random “Gonna pray for you” comment about me poking the bag, I would shut my mouth and move on with life as if I’d never seen the bag.
In my state you can shoot, butcher, and then dispose of all of the waste (bones, skin, etc) from a deer directly into the trash. My first thought would have been, assuming you feel bones inside, that it's from hunting.
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I bet it's just a mannequin.
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